if they catch more bad guys is that a bad thing? *NM*
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 01:50:12 AM
Sorry to get technical here, but your statement neither guarantees you a lawyer nor your right to remain silent.
"Until my lawyer gets here" does not mean you are asking for a lawyer. You are only REQUIRED to be given a lawyer under the 6th amendment when proceedings have begun against you and you are an indigent defendant. You have a RIGHT to a lawyer under the 5th amendment if you need help with the custodial interrogation proceedings, but you must unequivocally request one. Saying you are waiting till your lawyer shows up is not an unequivocal statement, so you could sit in the interrogation room all dam day, and the police would be required to give you nothing.
"I'm not saying anything" is not an unequivocal statement that you are electing to use your right to be silent. Thus the police can continue to question you all day. In addition, under this new ruling your silence is a waiver of your constitution right until you definitively request them. This means an officers testimony of "He looked real nervous every time I would ask him a question, almost to the point of being in tears, but he still refused to open up to me." would be admissible as an impression of your silence. Now imagine how much guilt an officer could imply to a jury out of you being silent? Scary when you realize before this case they could do no such thing.
Also, for the post above you stating that something to the effect of "anyone who watches a cop show knows how to enforce their rights" is kind of off base. We should understand our rights as they are explained to us in the Miranda warning, we SHOULD NOT be required to watch legal or police dramas to understand the specific phrasing we need to utilize our rights. We should not have to click our heels three times and say "there's no right like Miranda," "there's no right like Miranda,""there's no right like Miranda" before we are allowed our Constitutional rights.
And as a final note, should we really have to state that we are demanding our basic constitutional rights before they can be enforced. If a cop is beating the crap out of me should I be required to say "Officer I am exercising my Due Process right, so I demand you stop the beating" before it is unconstitutional?
"Until my lawyer gets here" does not mean you are asking for a lawyer. You are only REQUIRED to be given a lawyer under the 6th amendment when proceedings have begun against you and you are an indigent defendant. You have a RIGHT to a lawyer under the 5th amendment if you need help with the custodial interrogation proceedings, but you must unequivocally request one. Saying you are waiting till your lawyer shows up is not an unequivocal statement, so you could sit in the interrogation room all dam day, and the police would be required to give you nothing.
"I'm not saying anything" is not an unequivocal statement that you are electing to use your right to be silent. Thus the police can continue to question you all day. In addition, under this new ruling your silence is a waiver of your constitution right until you definitively request them. This means an officers testimony of "He looked real nervous every time I would ask him a question, almost to the point of being in tears, but he still refused to open up to me." would be admissible as an impression of your silence. Now imagine how much guilt an officer could imply to a jury out of you being silent? Scary when you realize before this case they could do no such thing.
Also, for the post above you stating that something to the effect of "anyone who watches a cop show knows how to enforce their rights" is kind of off base. We should understand our rights as they are explained to us in the Miranda warning, we SHOULD NOT be required to watch legal or police dramas to understand the specific phrasing we need to utilize our rights. We should not have to click our heels three times and say "there's no right like Miranda," "there's no right like Miranda,""there's no right like Miranda" before we are allowed our Constitutional rights.
And as a final note, should we really have to state that we are demanding our basic constitutional rights before they can be enforced. If a cop is beating the crap out of me should I be required to say "Officer I am exercising my Due Process right, so I demand you stop the beating" before it is unconstitutional?
This message last edited by random thoughts on 02/06/2010 at 05:49:02 PM
SCOTUS Update: Right to remain silent? Suspect better speak up -
01/06/2010 07:53:14 PM
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What I don't like about this decision...
01/06/2010 08:21:02 PM
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I think the only potential issue is if the person didn't understand the Miranda warning.
01/06/2010 10:37:42 PM
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that is an odd way of looking at it
01/06/2010 11:58:12 PM
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I'm more referring to the almost "magic words" that Kennedy introduces here.
02/06/2010 12:18:07 AM
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So we should not allow police to question people at all?
02/06/2010 12:31:27 AM
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You won't hear me complain if the Miranda rights are scaled back a bit.
02/06/2010 12:40:23 AM
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Forgot to mention - the 5-4 decision was split between cons and libs, but.....
01/06/2010 08:36:41 PM
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This seems reasonable to me.
01/06/2010 09:47:34 PM
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I'm stunned. Your response was reasoned, logical and concise. What have you done with Joel?
01/06/2010 10:43:22 PM
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Joel is going to be so pissed when he finds out that you logged onto his account.....
02/06/2010 01:42:50 AM
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Hey deaf people who can't speak... pound sand.
01/06/2010 09:55:41 PM
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well the deaf can simply close their eyes and end the interview
02/06/2010 12:26:31 AM
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Re: well the deaf can simply close their eyes and end the interview
02/06/2010 03:57:35 AM
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you are often questioned by the police? What are you doing to make that happen?
02/06/2010 03:35:47 PM
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This decision is a setback for us all.
01/06/2010 10:10:51 PM
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No it isn't.
01/06/2010 10:42:06 PM
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Re: No it isn't.
01/06/2010 11:26:07 PM
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Teach people to say "I'm not saying anything until my lawyer gets here." Period. *NM*
02/06/2010 12:38:24 AM
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Close, but not cigar.
02/06/2010 01:30:19 AM
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if they catch more bad guys is that a bad thing? *NM*
02/06/2010 01:50:12 AM
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Would you be okay with the prohibition of firearms if it lowered the crime rate?
02/06/2010 02:18:26 AM
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You are at the intersection of bull and shit.
02/06/2010 04:00:32 PM
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I am confused
01/06/2010 11:09:14 PM
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Re: I am confused
01/06/2010 11:15:07 PM
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ummm, no...
02/06/2010 12:13:59 AM
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Re: ummm, no...
02/06/2010 01:38:54 AM
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Nothing has changed
02/06/2010 01:56:08 AM
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Except you risk waiving them unless you specifically say you want to use them.
02/06/2010 04:07:51 AM
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not surprising that people who use phrases like "Police State of America" believe that
02/06/2010 03:24:25 PM
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As far as I can tell, this changes nothing and simply maintains the status quo.
01/06/2010 11:27:36 PM
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For those who don't understand the techniques of police interrogation let me make this clear.
02/06/2010 01:57:51 AM
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Good advice
02/06/2010 04:00:45 AM
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