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I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power... Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM
.....and due to them, we will be arriving in Bankruptcyville way sooner than excepted.

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but the best part of it was, I'm afraid, quite necessary or a continuation of older policies. The bank bailout was necessary. The stimulus admittedly had a fair bit of unrelated things in it, true, but having *a* stimulus bill was necessary, which was always going to cost a lot, and some of those unrelated things were education spending which was also needed. And you may have noticed the recent studies pointing out that the stimulus did work (or at least parts of it did). Continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was also kind of unavoidable. As for the health care, I don't much approve of the way they handled any of that, I must say.

I think one can fairly criticize the Dems for having failed to sufficiently acknowledge that if you have two foreign wars plus an economic crisis requiring stimuli, you have to be extremely stingy on everything else if you don't want to create serious problems for later generations. A good part of that was Bush's legacy - though as people have pointed out in this thread, some Democrats went along with it - but the responsible thing to do would've been to be the bigger man and not follow Bush's example (in fairness to Bush, not like he could know that the financial crisis would get so bad).

But "arriving in Bankruptcyville way sooner than expected", no, I don't really agree. If there's a reason why you'll arrive there sooner than expected, it's because you had all that additional spending during times of economic growth over the past decade, when responsible people should've remembered that Reagan had left the government debt fairly high, and should've paid that back more instead - but they didn't, and then a big crisis hit. The Dems didn't put the pedal to the floor, they merely didn't have the balls to step on the brakes hard enough.
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US Debt Hits $13T - But Spending Spree in DC Continues..... - 26/05/2010 05:09:48 PM 998 Views
Look who finally remembered they oppose federal deficits. - 26/05/2010 05:26:30 PM 609 Views
Silly Joel.....please find the posts where I supported GWB's deficit spending. - 26/05/2010 05:35:13 PM 668 Views
hmmm - 26/05/2010 05:40:49 PM 608 Views
I thought overthrowing Saddam was fine.....and it worked out very well. - 26/05/2010 06:37:31 PM 588 Views
I'll take what comfort I can from this. - 26/05/2010 06:45:53 PM 672 Views
"They" plural. - 26/05/2010 05:45:48 PM 834 Views
you are so full of crap - 26/05/2010 05:59:47 PM 638 Views
Oh, they weren't silent; they were quite vocal in their endorsement of the Iraq war. - 26/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 877 Views
more ranting doesn't support your argument - 26/05/2010 06:17:22 PM 800 Views
I'll respond to the coherent part of that. - 26/05/2010 06:30:07 PM 808 Views
I wish ... - 26/05/2010 06:57:30 PM 786 Views
Is the NYT any better pieces slandering McCain and his wife before an election? - 26/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 655 Views
I don't know those articles specifically. - 26/05/2010 08:27:44 PM 715 Views
These days I typically just say, "Fox. " - 27/05/2010 03:48:40 PM 817 Views
You mean you will repsond to part that you like and ignore the part you don't because of a typo - 26/05/2010 07:18:03 PM 727 Views
Actually, I think it was a pretty thorough response. - 27/05/2010 03:57:55 PM 814 Views
then let me make is simpler - 27/05/2010 07:23:19 PM 801 Views
I'll give Joel a little hand here... - 26/05/2010 09:14:27 PM 823 Views
commas are so over rated - 26/05/2010 10:50:57 PM 617 Views
yes the good republicans spent a lot of money so democrats should spend even more argument - 26/05/2010 05:52:57 PM 571 Views
We were heading in the wrong direction already, but Obama/Dems put the pedal to the floor... - 26/05/2010 06:41:48 PM 578 Views
I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power... - 26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM 759 Views
They did push the pedal further down even if they didn't start it - 26/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 795 Views
Fair enough, I don't disagree with any of that. - 26/05/2010 10:53:32 PM 658 Views
I find this image to describe the deficits pretty useful - 27/05/2010 01:56:29 AM 583 Views
Here is the problem with this kind of reporting... - 27/05/2010 07:12:34 AM 717 Views
Correct - 27/05/2010 02:11:47 PM 582 Views
The problem with that kind of logic is it is wrong - 27/05/2010 02:19:37 PM 614 Views
Yes, that would be wrong. - 27/05/2010 03:35:30 PM 627 Views
Based on Obama's budget, he will add more to the debt over the next 10 years..... - 27/05/2010 04:10:45 PM 543 Views
Increasing the debt is a problem, yes. - 27/05/2010 07:55:04 PM 918 Views
At least we agree that you are wrong because that is what you said - 27/05/2010 06:50:43 PM 567 Views
And where does the rest of the money come from? - 27/05/2010 08:12:31 PM 717 Views
No, that's for the entire Department of Defense. - 27/05/2010 08:25:28 PM 614 Views
using those numbers the war appears to be about half a drop in the bucket *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:37:31 PM 318 Views
I wouldn't call it a drop in the bucket... - 27/05/2010 09:03:43 PM 826 Views
yeah I was just being a smart ass - 27/05/2010 11:09:37 PM 834 Views
Re: And where does the rest of the money come from? - 27/05/2010 10:58:59 PM 724 Views
I interpreted it as saying... - 27/05/2010 02:22:13 PM 1072 Views
Hmmm... - 27/05/2010 03:41:15 PM 644 Views

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