I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power...
Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM
.....and due to them, we will be arriving in Bankruptcyville way sooner than excepted.
Change? Hope?
Change? Hope?
but the best part of it was, I'm afraid, quite necessary or a continuation of older policies. The bank bailout was necessary. The stimulus admittedly had a fair bit of unrelated things in it, true, but having *a* stimulus bill was necessary, which was always going to cost a lot, and some of those unrelated things were education spending which was also needed. And you may have noticed the recent studies pointing out that the stimulus did work (or at least parts of it did). Continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was also kind of unavoidable. As for the health care, I don't much approve of the way they handled any of that, I must say.
I think one can fairly criticize the Dems for having failed to sufficiently acknowledge that if you have two foreign wars plus an economic crisis requiring stimuli, you have to be extremely stingy on everything else if you don't want to create serious problems for later generations. A good part of that was Bush's legacy - though as people have pointed out in this thread, some Democrats went along with it - but the responsible thing to do would've been to be the bigger man and not follow Bush's example (in fairness to Bush, not like he could know that the financial crisis would get so bad).
But "arriving in Bankruptcyville way sooner than expected", no, I don't really agree. If there's a reason why you'll arrive there sooner than expected, it's because you had all that additional spending during times of economic growth over the past decade, when responsible people should've remembered that Reagan had left the government debt fairly high, and should've paid that back more instead - but they didn't, and then a big crisis hit. The Dems didn't put the pedal to the floor, they merely didn't have the balls to step on the brakes hard enough.
US Debt Hits $13T - But Spending Spree in DC Continues.....
26/05/2010 05:09:48 PM
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Look who finally remembered they oppose federal deficits.
26/05/2010 05:26:30 PM
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Silly Joel.....please find the posts where I supported GWB's deficit spending.
26/05/2010 05:35:13 PM
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hmmm
26/05/2010 05:40:49 PM
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That's different; spending trillions on the Iraq war is necessary national defense, just ask Fox.
26/05/2010 05:46:49 PM
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0.7 Trillion doesn't usually qualify as 'Trillions'
26/05/2010 06:16:15 PM
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I'm not willing to try parsing how much DoD spending was and wasn't Iraq just now.
26/05/2010 06:27:50 PM
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You can knock off the "Faux News" stuff, makes you sound like you've been hanging at Daily Kos
26/05/2010 07:06:16 PM
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A Fox News person was involved in writing the article so it sent him into a tissy fit
26/05/2010 10:56:35 PM
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Well, they annoyed the hell out of me by "accusing" Dems of something they supported for 5 years.
27/05/2010 03:30:08 PM
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This would sound better if you didn't say yourself the support was mostly fake
28/05/2010 01:05:44 PM
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I thought overthrowing Saddam was fine.....and it worked out very well.
26/05/2010 06:37:31 PM
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"They" plural.
26/05/2010 05:45:48 PM
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you are so full of crap
26/05/2010 05:59:47 PM
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Oh, they weren't silent; they were quite vocal in their endorsement of the Iraq war.
26/05/2010 06:03:51 PM
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more ranting doesn't support your argument
26/05/2010 06:17:22 PM
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I'll respond to the coherent part of that.
26/05/2010 06:30:07 PM
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I wish ...
26/05/2010 06:57:30 PM
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Is the NYT any better pieces slandering McCain and his wife before an election?
26/05/2010 07:16:58 PM
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I don't know those articles specifically.
26/05/2010 08:27:44 PM
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So my repeated use of "M$" in moondogs thread only makes things worse?
27/05/2010 03:35:06 PM
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You mean you will repsond to part that you like and ignore the part you don't because of a typo
26/05/2010 07:18:03 PM
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I'll give Joel a little hand here...
26/05/2010 09:14:27 PM
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The second paragraph is very hard to follow unless you already have an idea what he's going to say.
27/05/2010 03:43:09 PM
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yes the good republicans spent a lot of money so democrats should spend even more argument
26/05/2010 05:52:57 PM
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Well, I'll certainly agree that if it's bad, it's bad whoever's doing it.
26/05/2010 06:00:20 PM
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you are attacking Fox News becuase you object to opposing views being expressed
26/05/2010 06:27:29 PM
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Not at all; I just expect a little consistency.
26/05/2010 06:40:07 PM
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then why not show some and admit that all the news agency were backing the war
26/05/2010 07:10:57 PM
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Yes, they were; most of them stopped: One of them didn't.
27/05/2010 03:08:34 PM
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so the other media outlets get a pass because the supported losing a war they supported starting?
27/05/2010 06:39:21 PM
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We were heading in the wrong direction already, but Obama/Dems put the pedal to the floor...
26/05/2010 06:41:48 PM
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I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power...
26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM
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They did push the pedal further down even if they didn't start it
26/05/2010 10:46:38 PM
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Here is the problem with this kind of reporting...
27/05/2010 07:12:34 AM
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The problem with that kind of logic is it is wrong
27/05/2010 02:19:37 PM
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Yes, that would be wrong.
27/05/2010 03:35:30 PM
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Based on Obama's budget, he will add more to the debt over the next 10 years.....
27/05/2010 04:10:45 PM
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At least we agree that you are wrong because that is what you said
27/05/2010 06:50:43 PM
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And where does the rest of the money come from?
27/05/2010 08:12:31 PM
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No, that's for the entire Department of Defense.
27/05/2010 08:25:28 PM
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using those numbers the war appears to be about half a drop in the bucket *NM*
27/05/2010 08:37:31 PM
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