Obviously, this is a bit of a challenge since Wotmania is no more, but to refresh your memory, I stopped supporting Bush in 2003 when he pushed through that financial disaster called Medicare Part D.....FLUSH goes our money.
so you stopped supporting him on November of 2003 when Medicare Part D was passed but not in March 2003 when he invaded Iraq and started this unnecessary and EXPENSIVE war in Iraq that we cant ever get out of and is burning billions in tax dollars as we speak? nice.
Um, ask them before Obama took office though....

I for one have not seen any figure that doesn't do things like include our normal military operating costs that puts the price tag for Iraq at even a trillion dollars, most reliable figures have it at about 700 billion to date and likely to cost 1 trillion tops when all is said and done, adjusting for inflation WWII cost us about 5 trillion dollars, Vietnam just under a trillion, and the Korean War 1.5 trillion - not including the continued price of leaving multiple divisions there for 60 years.
I'm not fond of a lot of the deficit spending under Bush but don't tack it up to the war, nor act like that money was unjustly spent. More than half the dems voted for the invasion, and have voted for the funding. This war has not been that expensive nor has it's funding been a controversial fight between the GOP and the Dems, the latter of whom continued funding it once they gained power in '06 - need I remind you that they have had control of congress for half the time this war has been going on and racking up its tab? Don't blame our deficit woes on the war, when the deficit is well over a trillion and the annual spending is in the trillions, the hundred trillion [edit: billion] or so we're spending specifically on Iraq each year is not the primary source of our deficit woes.
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US Debt Hits $13T - But Spending Spree in DC Continues.....
26/05/2010 05:09:48 PM
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Look who finally remembered they oppose federal deficits.
26/05/2010 05:26:30 PM
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Silly Joel.....please find the posts where I supported GWB's deficit spending.
26/05/2010 05:35:13 PM
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hmmm
26/05/2010 05:40:49 PM
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That's different; spending trillions on the Iraq war is necessary national defense, just ask Fox.
26/05/2010 05:46:49 PM
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0.7 Trillion doesn't usually qualify as 'Trillions'
26/05/2010 06:16:15 PM
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I'm not willing to try parsing how much DoD spending was and wasn't Iraq just now.
26/05/2010 06:27:50 PM
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You can knock off the "Faux News" stuff, makes you sound like you've been hanging at Daily Kos
26/05/2010 07:06:16 PM
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A Fox News person was involved in writing the article so it sent him into a tissy fit
26/05/2010 10:56:35 PM
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Well, they annoyed the hell out of me by "accusing" Dems of something they supported for 5 years.
27/05/2010 03:30:08 PM
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This would sound better if you didn't say yourself the support was mostly fake
28/05/2010 01:05:44 PM
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I thought overthrowing Saddam was fine.....and it worked out very well.
26/05/2010 06:37:31 PM
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"They" plural.
26/05/2010 05:45:48 PM
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you are so full of crap
26/05/2010 05:59:47 PM
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Oh, they weren't silent; they were quite vocal in their endorsement of the Iraq war.
26/05/2010 06:03:51 PM
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more ranting doesn't support your argument
26/05/2010 06:17:22 PM
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I'll respond to the coherent part of that.
26/05/2010 06:30:07 PM
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I wish ...
26/05/2010 06:57:30 PM
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Is the NYT any better pieces slandering McCain and his wife before an election?
26/05/2010 07:16:58 PM
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I don't know those articles specifically.
26/05/2010 08:27:44 PM
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So my repeated use of "M$" in moondogs thread only makes things worse?
27/05/2010 03:35:06 PM
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You mean you will repsond to part that you like and ignore the part you don't because of a typo
26/05/2010 07:18:03 PM
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I'll give Joel a little hand here...
26/05/2010 09:14:27 PM
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The second paragraph is very hard to follow unless you already have an idea what he's going to say.
27/05/2010 03:43:09 PM
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yes the good republicans spent a lot of money so democrats should spend even more argument
26/05/2010 05:52:57 PM
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Well, I'll certainly agree that if it's bad, it's bad whoever's doing it.
26/05/2010 06:00:20 PM
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you are attacking Fox News becuase you object to opposing views being expressed
26/05/2010 06:27:29 PM
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Not at all; I just expect a little consistency.
26/05/2010 06:40:07 PM
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then why not show some and admit that all the news agency were backing the war
26/05/2010 07:10:57 PM
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Yes, they were; most of them stopped: One of them didn't.
27/05/2010 03:08:34 PM
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so the other media outlets get a pass because the supported losing a war they supported starting?
27/05/2010 06:39:21 PM
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We were heading in the wrong direction already, but Obama/Dems put the pedal to the floor...
26/05/2010 06:41:48 PM
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I don't mean to defend all of the spending that Obama and Congress have done since he's in power...
26/05/2010 09:29:38 PM
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They did push the pedal further down even if they didn't start it
26/05/2010 10:46:38 PM
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Here is the problem with this kind of reporting...
27/05/2010 07:12:34 AM
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The problem with that kind of logic is it is wrong
27/05/2010 02:19:37 PM
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Yes, that would be wrong.
27/05/2010 03:35:30 PM
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Based on Obama's budget, he will add more to the debt over the next 10 years.....
27/05/2010 04:10:45 PM
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At least we agree that you are wrong because that is what you said
27/05/2010 06:50:43 PM
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And where does the rest of the money come from?
27/05/2010 08:12:31 PM
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No, that's for the entire Department of Defense.
27/05/2010 08:25:28 PM
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using those numbers the war appears to be about half a drop in the bucket *NM*
27/05/2010 08:37:31 PM
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