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I'm not saying it's nothing new. Libby Send a noteboard - 25/05/2010 03:57:40 AM
In your post you said this is nothing new. In actuality it is somewhat new in that this is not a propaganda piece they can use to support themselves in the eyes of the North Koreans. They just sank a fucking ship and killed 46 sailors and injured more. There is probably not much more they can do to beg for war except maybe launch cross border attacks to kill more south Koreans.
This is not business as usual as you seem to assert. This is an escalation in aggression that is different form the North's usual shenanigans.



What I'm saying is that they crave crisis. And the bigger the crisis, the better. And you've proved my point - the North's usual shenanigans aren't working anymore, precisely the reason why they need something bigger. This is probably the biggest act they can do short of having all out war on the peninsula.

In 1994, North Korea created a nuclear crisis and we signed an agreed framework, and then of course there were accusations about whether the US was fulfilling the agreed framework on time. North Korea blamed the U.S., but basically North Korea broke the agreed framework. They conducted two nuclear tests and many missile tests. So they found out that bluffing, or creating a crisis through resolute militant operation, is maybe the way to sustain global attention, get aid, get diplomatic recognition, put to the UN that North Korea is a country to be reckoned with. Is this ultimately a successful long-term strategy? I don't think so, because the South Koreans and Americans are getting smarter, and students of North Korean affairs are getting angry. But so far, with limited options, North Korea has been pursuing this and they have been gaining rather than losing. We also shouldn't forget that their might be an unstable power struggle going on, with Kim's ill health and his desire to pass power to his second son, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a factor as well.

I'm not saying we should treat this nonchalantly, I'm saying we should look at this calmly and with clear vision, without emotion. I like how President Lee has handled this crisis, after all his country and his people has the most to lose.
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Oh, by the way...has anyone noticed how close the Korean peninsula is to war? - 24/05/2010 02:04:12 PM 991 Views
I was wondering when something would be posted about this - 24/05/2010 02:49:54 PM 688 Views
haha. I love that mental image - 24/05/2010 02:51:53 PM 609 Views
But does North Korea really listen to China that much anymore? - 24/05/2010 02:55:04 PM 625 Views
that might well be a good point - 24/05/2010 03:20:32 PM 584 Views
Very interesting point. That is a wild card. *NM* - 24/05/2010 03:27:53 PM 215 Views
The explaination I have heard... - 24/05/2010 09:05:40 PM 650 Views
I don't know... - 24/05/2010 09:49:25 PM 547 Views
No, because China doesn't want us in the region. - 25/05/2010 12:20:47 AM 592 Views
Um, wasn't that pretty much always understood? - 25/05/2010 12:08:12 AM 556 Views
yah, it doesn't look to be a good situation - 24/05/2010 02:50:08 PM 602 Views
If there were a war with North Korea the US has the resources to deal with it. - 24/05/2010 02:56:39 PM 622 Views
mm. well I don't much like that either, to be honest. - 24/05/2010 03:00:29 PM 608 Views
Wikipedia is your friend. - 24/05/2010 03:08:33 PM 773 Views
ah mk. Thanks!! - 24/05/2010 04:39:49 PM 562 Views
Still scary and you know that using those would escalate everything. - 24/05/2010 03:26:12 PM 574 Views
Korea is directly in our sphere of influence - 24/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 519 Views
I meant "we" in a personal sense, not a national sense. - 24/05/2010 05:36:40 PM 668 Views
In a personal sense, we could hijack a nuclear silo and shoot an ICBM at Pyongyang. - 24/05/2010 05:50:52 PM 507 Views
Oh yuck - there are far better ways. - 24/05/2010 06:01:44 PM 542 Views
yah... - 24/05/2010 06:27:37 PM 578 Views
Re: yah... - 24/05/2010 06:34:13 PM 554 Views
That would totally blow my cover of being a nerdy little grandma. - 24/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 526 Views
I don't think the US could, if China decided to get involved - 24/05/2010 08:45:23 PM 509 Views
A part of me says just get it over with - 24/05/2010 03:21:06 PM 516 Views
I agree that if war is inevitable, it is much better to start it at a time of our choosing. - 24/05/2010 03:48:36 PM 662 Views
I agree - 24/05/2010 04:17:19 PM 671 Views
Pretty much agree with all of that. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:17:27 PM 242 Views
I'm trying not to. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:25:06 PM 214 Views
This. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:28:20 PM 236 Views
I understand - 24/05/2010 06:00:09 PM 511 Views
Yes - 24/05/2010 06:05:25 PM 525 Views
i agree - 24/05/2010 06:28:37 PM 551 Views
This has disaster written all over it *NM* - 24/05/2010 08:39:37 PM 228 Views
Technically, weren't we always? - 24/05/2010 08:51:29 PM 518 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2010 12:07:32 AM 573 Views
I try to block it out with thought's of a puppet singing "I'm So Ronery". *NM* - 24/05/2010 10:59:23 PM 230 Views
No one wants to resume the Korean War. - 24/05/2010 11:27:12 PM 630 Views
China does. - 25/05/2010 12:29:11 AM 581 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 12:54:49 AM 610 Views
Well, it would be more accurate to say they want a conflict, yes. - 25/05/2010 01:15:23 AM 605 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 01:24:17 AM 592 Views
North Korea is not acting suicidal? Are you kidding? - 25/05/2010 02:41:29 AM 568 Views
The internal political dynamic in North Korea is such that they constantly need a crisis. - 25/05/2010 03:03:59 AM 584 Views
You are missing the main point. - 25/05/2010 03:36:37 AM 623 Views
I'm not saying it's nothing new. - 25/05/2010 03:57:40 AM 599 Views
Your response highlights the ultimate problem: the crisis will have to keep getting bigger. - 25/05/2010 07:44:19 PM 532 Views
Yes, that is the danger. - 26/05/2010 09:04:36 PM 678 Views
Fair enough. I misunderstood your position before. - 26/05/2010 12:31:52 AM 558 Views

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