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Surely Sweden can say, or could have said, that they wouldn't join till they damn well felt like it? Tim Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 11:39:57 PM
Why didn't they? Did they not have the balls of us and Denmark?

(Incidentally, if every country in the Eurozone had had a binding referendum before joining, I wonder how big it would be... How was public opinion in Belgium in 2000-1?)
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So the list of countries using the euro will grow longer, not shorter... Estonia to join in 2011 Legolas - 12/05/2010 10:51:37 PM 1013 Views
Sounds like a winner Isaac - 12/05/2010 11:07:38 PM 633 Views
You Americans should like Estonia - they're rather neoliberal that way. Legolas - 12/05/2010 11:18:30 PM 830 Views
Apparently we do Isaac - 13/05/2010 05:34:41 PM 676 Views
I liked the remark one Estonian bankofficial made Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2010 11:38:26 PM 588 Views
Re: I liked the remark one Estonian bankofficial made BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:42:37 PM 660 Views
I stand corrected than Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2010 11:45:33 PM 545 Views
I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that. Legolas - 12/05/2010 11:52:41 PM 528 Views
Re: I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that. BlackAdder - 13/05/2010 12:05:03 AM 537 Views
That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:11:37 AM 656 Views
Social attitudes take a very long time to change. Tim - 13/05/2010 12:28:09 AM 680 Views
We have need-based scholarships. We could extend them. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:38:31 AM 562 Views
I guess it depends on exactly what the fees are. Tim - 13/05/2010 11:06:37 AM 651 Views
They're low. Too low. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:12:29 PM 673 Views
American universities do have entrance exams. Sort of. Macharius - 13/05/2010 02:17:13 PM 696 Views
Those are really too lame to count. Legolas - 13/05/2010 02:21:23 PM 711 Views
Re: Those are really too lame to count. Macharius - 13/05/2010 05:04:25 PM 724 Views
typically the more specialized programs require that LadyLorraine - 13/05/2010 05:53:20 PM 628 Views
Re: Those are really too lame to count. BlackAdder - 13/05/2010 07:32:19 PM 719 Views
Like I indicated, I'm not suggesting it in the American system. Legolas - 13/05/2010 07:53:15 PM 712 Views
meh. Most degrees are useless anyway. AgentOrange - 13/05/2010 01:14:54 AM 553 Views
That could be fixed if there weren't such stigma attached to vocational schools. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 02:18:40 AM 579 Views
Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. BlackAdder - 13/05/2010 08:08:16 PM 632 Views
Buying a senator helps. Vodalus - 14/05/2010 02:33:44 AM 595 Views
Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. Legolas - 14/05/2010 11:48:22 AM 648 Views
Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere. Vodalus - 14/05/2010 05:36:50 PM 739 Views
Oh, it's a lot earlier. Legolas - 14/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 691 Views
Re: Is it as late as university? Or is it a good bit earlier? EDIT: Nevermind. Answered elsewhere. BlackAdder - 14/05/2010 07:57:32 PM 571 Views
Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. BlackAdder - 14/05/2010 08:02:58 PM 697 Views
Come on. jh - 13/05/2010 10:13:29 AM 707 Views
naw most of them are getting degrees in liberal arts because they like to read book more then work *NM* random thoughts - 13/05/2010 02:01:59 PM 246 Views
You ever been to Estonia? If not, stop speaking. *NM* Lordling - 13/05/2010 10:29:17 AM 371 Views
your funny *NM* random thoughts - 13/05/2010 02:01:06 PM 235 Views
Surely Sweden can say, or could have said, that they wouldn't join till they damn well felt like it? Tim - 12/05/2010 11:39:57 PM 588 Views
Apparently Denmark only got the opt-out after rejecting the Maastricht treaty. Legolas - 12/05/2010 11:47:00 PM 621 Views
Good point: it seems to me no-one cares about being Belgian, only Flemish or Walloon . Tim - 12/05/2010 11:51:27 PM 495 Views
It's slightly more subtle than that. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:00:29 AM 654 Views
What do you think about this suggestion? Tim - 13/05/2010 12:09:02 AM 642 Views
That has been suggested by many, yeah. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:28:24 AM 652 Views
But before you make a decision like that... Bramhodoulos - 13/05/2010 08:36:07 AM 653 Views
They can export him to another country which needs a king. Wouldn't be the first time. Tim - 13/05/2010 10:57:59 AM 586 Views
We have a Flemish government, though. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:22:57 PM 677 Views
Hmm, a pan-European entity getting too big and splitting into Eastern and Western administrations... Tim - 13/05/2010 11:09:51 AM 553 Views
That wasn't entirely what I meant. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:15:14 PM 597 Views
There is one answer to most of those questions Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2010 11:49:46 PM 524 Views
I love that the rest of you have the euro. Tim - 12/05/2010 11:53:10 PM 505 Views
*waits for the Pound to drop and the UK begging for the euro* *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2010 11:56:25 PM 308 Views
That would be the worst time to do it. Tim - 13/05/2010 12:05:32 AM 616 Views
Well... that is true. But your exports would be really high. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 12:11:50 AM 559 Views
Also the best time. snoopcester - 13/05/2010 12:11:53 AM 607 Views
I WIN *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 12:12:51 AM 242 Views
Bah *NM* snoopcester - 13/05/2010 12:18:48 AM 207 Views
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 12:19:32 AM 200 Views
I think on the balance, that's probably better than the opposite, but yeah, neither is ideal. *NM* Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:14:23 AM 285 Views
There is a small problem with that... jh - 13/05/2010 10:21:44 AM 518 Views
I found the wikipedia article. Tim - 13/05/2010 10:53:00 AM 704 Views
WOW WHEN DID THE UK CHANGE THEIR COINS Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 12:10:41 AM 610 Views
2008, apparently. Though I don't think we actually saw them until 2009. Tim - 13/05/2010 12:17:46 AM 630 Views
Oh. Okay. I guess the black is just a reflective thing they're doing for the photo. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 12:37:24 AM 562 Views
I used to use a ten-pound note to inhale...things. Tom - 13/05/2010 05:54:09 AM 566 Views
You have a thing for Charles Darwin? Tim - 13/05/2010 10:45:14 AM 516 Views
From "Mean Mr. Mustard" - "keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...such a mean old man..." Tom - 13/05/2010 02:36:34 PM 543 Views
In that case I'm going to have to disappoint you. Tim - 13/05/2010 02:54:04 PM 683 Views
I knew that, but I had limited options. Tom - 13/05/2010 03:15:07 PM 656 Views
You could try a €500 note. Tim - 13/05/2010 03:18:11 PM 552 Views
In other news, the sky is blue. Legolas - 13/05/2010 03:33:25 PM 583 Views
I seem to remember reading something in 2002 about Germans paying their monthly rent in cash. Tim - 13/05/2010 03:43:35 PM 649 Views
Hm. Possible. Legolas - 13/05/2010 03:50:31 PM 531 Views
Re: In other news, the sky is blue. BlackAdder - 13/05/2010 07:45:06 PM 661 Views
Sheesh...I was just using, not dealing. Tom - 13/05/2010 03:47:05 PM 546 Views
The thrill of decadence? *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 03:51:21 PM 239 Views
Ooh...I'm sure THAT will shore up the eurozone... *laughs* Tom - 13/05/2010 05:51:12 AM 602 Views
Agreed Balwer - 13/05/2010 12:20:12 PM 580 Views
Nobody said it would. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:34:27 PM 578 Views
You know what will save the eurozone ? AgentOrange - 13/05/2010 04:55:06 PM 568 Views
You're a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? *NM* Legolas - 13/05/2010 05:10:48 PM 224 Views
Hey man, I don't want Europe to be the next Japan AgentOrange - 13/05/2010 05:42:26 PM 574 Views
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