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Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron snoopcester Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM
From The Financial Times -
{quote}Discord stirs among Tory grass roots

By Jean Eaglesham, Chief Political Correspondent

David Cameron was urged to pay more attention to the “angry” grass roots of his party as recriminations flew in Tory ranks on Friday over what is seen as the failure of the leadership’s campaign.

Senior Conservatives were wheeled out to try to quash internal dissent over the prospect of an alliance with the Liberal Democrats.

Sir John Major, the former leader, said individual Tories “may not like” the leader’s overtures to the third party, but “that is absolutely subordinate to what is in the national interest”.

David Davis, a figurehead for the right and potential candidate to regain his old Home Office role, backed Mr Cameron’s “entirely right” initiative in a statement sent out by the party.

The public display of support reflected nervousness among the Tory high command about a possible rank-and-file backlash against the decision to seek common cause with the Lib Dems.

Any deal on proportional representation would be anathema to the Tory party, who would see it as a short-cut to political oblivion for the right. There are plenty of other Lib Dem policies that Tory MPs would reject outright, not least backing the euro, offering an amnesty to illegal immigrants and opposing a like-for-like replacement of Trident.

Mr Cameron sought to head off such concerns by setting out on Friday his red lines for any agreement. No government should give more powers to the European Union, be “weak or soft on the issue of immigration” or fail to keep the country’s defences strong, he said.

He also held back from making concrete promises to the Lib Dems on electoral reform, simply offering a cross-party committee – a mechanism past experience suggests is a recipe for kicking changes into the long grass.

But these assurances failed to quell dissent. “In entering coalition talks, Cameron tests his authority within the party. Inquiry into electoral reform? The Spectator cannot support this,” said Fraser Nelson, editor of the right-of-centre magazine. A month-long campaign that appeared to have reduced Tory support had left the party “looking very weak now”, he said.

The failure to gain a clear majority was seen as a vindication by traditionalists of their long-standing concerns over Mr Cameron’s modernising agenda of prioritising issues like the NHS over old-style Tory tax cut and immigration pledges.

Lord Tebbit, the Thatcherite former cabinet minister, said the failure to establish an election-winning lead was “the fault of the Conservatives themselves. I hope that if Mr Cameron becomes prime minister he will learn that lesson.”

“I told you so,” said one MP. “The party is angry. . . It’s all blame, blame, blame. The know-it-alls [Cameroons] haven’t delivered.”

Mr Cameron was under pressure on Friday night to reach beyond his inner circle of advisers and allies to consult with his party, particularly before signing any deal with the Lib Dems.

“It’s important he adopts a more collegiate style,” Tim Montgomerie, editor of the Conservativehome website for activists, said. “The grassroots wanted a very different campaign from the Tory leadership and the Tory leadership told us all they knew what they were doing.”

Mr Cameron sought on Friday to highlight the successes the Tories had achieved, pointing out that the gain of 97 seats – after 649 of 650 seats had declared – was the party’s best election result for 80 years, while its 36 per cent share of the vote was more than Labour achieved in winning the 2005 election.

But such context risked being lost on a party that expected to be wielding power, not locked in potentially messy negotiations with an old political rival.

Boris Johnson gave a characteristically succinct guide to the form of government the party expects to emerge from negotiations with the Lib Dems. “Whatever type of Walls sausage is contrived by this experiment, the dominant ingredient has got to be Conservativism,” the Tory mayor of London said. “The meat in the sausage has got to be Conservative.”{/quote}

Torygraph has got a piece up on the website blaming Cameron (and supporters, of course) as well.

Interesting times... on the one hand, it must make striking a deal with the Lib Dems harder if he's not to suffer internal revolt while also making some sort of deal that gets him into No 10 more vital if he is to survive his moment of victory.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1656 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1101 Views
So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 936 Views
Re: So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1040 Views
God I hate the British system - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1073 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 557 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 601 Views
Indeed - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1102 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1013 Views
They are? Where? - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1147 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1033 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 980 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1026 Views
That is true - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1038 Views
Re: That is true - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1056 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 559 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1015 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1163 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1040 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1165 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1145 Views
King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1115 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 963 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1045 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1056 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 932 Views
Yes. - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 808 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1006 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 989 Views
I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1059 Views
Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1101 Views
Re: Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1100 Views
Re: I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1037 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1144 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1150 Views
Possibly. - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1167 Views
Re: Possibly. - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 958 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1038 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1046 Views
Short term pain for long term gain - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1134 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1062 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1151 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1023 Views
that does sound strange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 983 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 995 Views
Tell me about it. - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1015 Views
I liked that as well - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1073 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1042 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1094 Views
- 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 973 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1018 Views
Same here - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 967 Views
Re: Same here - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1120 Views
A simple change is all - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1059 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1045 Views
Not that simple - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 999 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1158 Views
Show off - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1000 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1152 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1150 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 845 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1025 Views
I hate the list system. - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1066 Views
There are many different versions - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 985 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1072 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 951 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1123 Views
I like John Major - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1001 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1107 Views
But - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1046 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1044 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1009 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 992 Views
Basically... - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1025 Views
And things are changing already - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1100 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1118 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1069 Views
The latter, I'd say. - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1365 Views
Brown is PM at the moment - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 996 Views
They certainly can. - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1093 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 587 Views
If i were the tories - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1045 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1095 Views
Hmmm - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1364 Views
Completely uncalled for! - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1174 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1458 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1057 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1046 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 951 Views

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