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Basically... Werthead Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM
We have 650 Parliamentary seats and a party needs to take 50%+1 seat to form a majority government (so 326).

What's happened is that no-one's done this. The Tories have 306, Labour 258, the Liberal Democrats 57, the Scottish National Party 6, Plaid Cymru 3 and the others (mostly the Northern Irish parties) 19.

Yesterday people were talking about the choice between the Tories as a minority government (where they form the government but can't be guaranteed to win every vote on new legislation) and a coalition/alliance between Labour and the Liberal Democrats which would govern as a majority. The problem is that the LibDems have done worse than expected, so that even if Labour and the LibDems join forces, they cannot form a majority government either (they only get to 315, and the Tories can block them with help from the smaller parties).

So the choices are that the Tories govern as a minority government, the LibDems ally with Labour and govern as a minority coalition, or the Tories ally with the LibDems and govern as a majority coalition (with 363 seats).

The problem with this last scenario is that the Tories and LibDems are ideologically opposed on many areas of policy. Most notably, they have radically different ideas on how to handle the economic crisis, and the LibDems badly want electoral reform which Tory hardliners and supporters are vehemently opposed to (though Cameron himself appears to be slightly less hardline on it). The LibDems want reform because they won 23% of the vote but only have about 9% of the seats in Parliament, so introducing a Proportional Representation system will benefit them immensely. The Tories don't want this system because it will screw them over, and may make coalition governments the norm in future elections (whilst at the moment they are very rare). Labour are lukewarm on it, but will do it to hold on to power.

As a result the most likely scenario (though the ground is shifting rapidly; no-one this morning was realistically expecting a LibDem-Tory coalition, and they are at least talking about it tonight) is that the LibDems and Labour govern as a minority coalition and win over the smaller parties with promise of voting reform (which will also benefit them), holding off the Tories in the process. Then, once the system is reformed, a fresh general election will be held, probably in 6-12 months time.

The problem with this scenario is that Gordon Brown's position will likely be untenable, so a caretaker PM who was not voted for by the British people will have to come in (unless LibDem leader Nick Clegg does it, which is a bit tricky given the LibDems' lack of mandate compared to the other parties). And the banks and international community may have a lack of confidence in this set-up, which could have ramifications given the economic situation.

Whichever way you cut it, the situation is screwed. We couldn't have made this any more difficult or awkward if we'd tried.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1587 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1025 Views
So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 899 Views
Re: So what would you move to? - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 972 Views
God I hate the British system - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1004 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 530 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 569 Views
Indeed - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1036 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 948 Views
They are? Where? - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1072 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 967 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 917 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 960 Views
That is true - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 978 Views
Re: That is true - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 996 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 532 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 945 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1095 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 974 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1095 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1082 Views
King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1036 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 924 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 981 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 989 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 864 Views
Yes. - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 741 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 942 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 923 Views
I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 994 Views
Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1036 Views
Re: Heh. - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1030 Views
Re: I'm sure he is - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 965 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1075 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1077 Views
Possibly. - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1098 Views
Re: Possibly. - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 919 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 965 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 979 Views
Short term pain for long term gain - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1064 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 996 Views
Re: Indeed - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1086 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 949 Views
that does sound strange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 922 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 950 Views
Tell me about it. - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 946 Views
I liked that as well - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1014 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 977 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1022 Views
- 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 935 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 948 Views
Same here - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 932 Views
Re: Same here - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1058 Views
A simple change is all - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 990 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 968 Views
Not that simple - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 927 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1090 Views
Show off - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 926 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1090 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1074 Views
Re: Not that simple - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 778 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 963 Views
I hate the list system. - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 992 Views
There are many different versions - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 926 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 999 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 888 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1050 Views
I like John Major - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 942 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1042 Views
But - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 982 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 967 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 918 Views
Basically... - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 954 Views
And things are changing already - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1036 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1043 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1000 Views
The latter, I'd say. - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1294 Views
Brown is PM at the moment - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 938 Views
They certainly can. - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1020 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 561 Views
If i were the tories - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 973 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 991 Views
Hmmm - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1284 Views
Completely uncalled for! - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1100 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1389 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 987 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 971 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 883 Views

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