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Re: I'm sure he is p hart Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM
Really unhappy about him. But I like Ken Clarke, so that tempering side is there.


I have always suspected a key part of his job is to make Cameron look better by comparison. It works on me - I consider not being George Osbourn to be Cameron's best feature:P

Clarke for me is like Portillo - I'm rarely if ever going to agree with either of them on politics but they are clearly smart, decent people acting for what they think is best.


I don't think Clarke is decent at all, What with him enriching himself to the tune of £1 million with BAT as an "ambassador", BAT are the firm who aggresively sell fags in Africa, of course once this all came out, he resigned from it, but if he hadn't been caught he wouldn't have resigned. So taking money to act as an ambassador for a company trying to flog a dependency creating drug in some of the most poverty stricken areas of the world, isn't what i would say is the acts of a "decent" person.

plus does his views on europe scupper him anyway? It was a problem way back in his day, can't see it changing much now.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Nebhead - 07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM 1656 Views
Re: Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats. Liam - 07/05/2010 09:45:23 AM 1101 Views
So what would you move to? Roland00 - 07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM 936 Views
I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation Mark - 07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM 1035 Views
Re: So what would you move to? p hart - 07/05/2010 02:55:32 PM 1040 Views
God I hate the British system Camilla - 07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM 1072 Views
It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM 557 Views
Are you counting the Speaker? *NM* Camilla - 07/05/2010 01:59:37 PM 601 Views
Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM 1102 Views
I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers". Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM 1013 Views
They are? Where? snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM 1146 Views
On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM 1033 Views
Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM 980 Views
The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM 1026 Views
Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM 1059 Views
That is true snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:53:51 PM 1037 Views
Re: That is true p hart - 07/05/2010 03:54:51 PM 1056 Views
I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM* Tom - 07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM 558 Views
I suspect we'll get one of those anyway. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1015 Views
What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections? Tom - 07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM 1163 Views
I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM 1040 Views
Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM 1165 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though p hart - 07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM 1144 Views
King William IV indeed. Liam - 07/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 1115 Views
Re: King William IV indeed. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:40:41 PM 963 Views
Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM 1045 Views
I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM 1056 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM 931 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:26:50 PM 808 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:28:45 PM 1005 Views
Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn p hart - 07/05/2010 04:34:41 PM 988 Views
I'm sure he is snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM 1058 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM 1101 Views
Re: Heh. snoopcester - 07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM 1099 Views
His talking about "Portillo moments" was one of the best parts of the BBC's election broadcast. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:14:11 PM 619 Views
Re: I'm sure he is p hart - 07/05/2010 04:40:07 PM 1037 Views
Cameron might be in trouble anyway. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:25:14 PM 1144 Views
If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it Mark - 07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM 1150 Views
Possibly. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM 1167 Views
Re: Possibly. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM 957 Views
I didn't mean from that point of view. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:05:05 PM 1038 Views
Re: I didn't mean from that point of view. p hart - 07/05/2010 03:18:57 PM 1046 Views
Short term pain for long term gain Mark - 07/05/2010 03:02:51 PM 1133 Views
Sylvia Hermon the independent unionist would probably support them as well Mark - 07/05/2010 02:44:35 PM 1062 Views
Re: Indeed p hart - 07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM 1062 Views
Re: Indeed snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM 1151 Views
Well I'm fairly sure some Shinners have attended Tory conferences in the past Mark - 07/05/2010 04:05:56 PM 988 Views
Here's what i would do to sink the Tories p hart - 07/05/2010 04:06:10 PM 1023 Views
that does sound strange AgentOrange - 07/05/2010 10:57:10 AM 983 Views
The breakdown is pretty wack snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM 995 Views
Tell me about it. Liam - 07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM 1015 Views
I liked that as well snoopcester - 07/05/2010 11:46:42 AM 1072 Views
I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency. Zeeb - 07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM 1042 Views
Not that I'd ever try to one-up you. Liam - 07/05/2010 12:54:47 PM 1093 Views
Zeeb - 07/05/2010 01:44:03 PM 972 Views
Re: The breakdown is pretty wack p hart - 07/05/2010 03:23:32 PM 1018 Views
Same here snoopcester - 07/05/2010 03:47:51 PM 967 Views
Re: Same here p hart - 07/05/2010 03:56:46 PM 1120 Views
A simple change is all Druid - 07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM 1059 Views
That's not a simple change. THIS is a simple change: Tom - 07/05/2010 01:59:09 PM 1045 Views
Not that simple snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM 999 Views
Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day Mark - 07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM 1158 Views
Show off snoopcester - 07/05/2010 02:53:16 PM 1000 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM 1152 Views
Re: Not that simple Mark - 07/05/2010 03:14:46 PM 1149 Views
Re: Not that simple p hart - 07/05/2010 03:20:55 PM 845 Views
PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic Mark - 07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM 1025 Views
I hate the list system. Rebekah - 07/05/2010 02:55:39 PM 1065 Views
There are many different versions Mark - 07/05/2010 03:10:38 PM 985 Views
It's that bad i registered to moan. p hart - 07/05/2010 02:53:37 PM 1072 Views
What's amazing is that the exit polls are actually looking astonishingly correct, now. Huh. *NM* Legolas - 07/05/2010 03:35:12 PM 523 Views
As soon as i turned on the TV, i was being told the Exit polls must be wrong p hart - 07/05/2010 03:47:15 PM 972 Views
Conservatives win and the stock market plummets. j/k Burr - 07/05/2010 03:40:11 PM 951 Views
Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer.... Rebekah - 07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM 1123 Views
I like John Major Liam - 07/05/2010 04:01:03 PM 1001 Views
There's only one the LibDems will be interested in though. Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:30:55 PM 1107 Views
But p hart - 07/05/2010 08:21:11 PM 1045 Views
Isn't that the very definition of a coalition? Legolas - 07/05/2010 08:16:05 PM 1043 Views
Until you bring Lady Thatcher back, all of your elections are just pick-the-least-offensive anyway. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:08:32 PM 529 Views
Well her son is good at starting coups, so maybe he might be hired for her return. *NM* p hart - 07/05/2010 04:28:52 PM 559 Views
Whatever it takes. *NM* LiterateDog - 07/05/2010 04:31:13 PM 501 Views
Please no, the milk stealer is still used to frighten children in Scotland p hart - 07/05/2010 04:47:26 PM 985 Views
OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab p hart - 07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM 1008 Views
So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on.... Jeordam - 07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM 991 Views
Basically... Werthead - 07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM 1025 Views
And things are changing already Werthead - 08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM 1100 Views
To be fair, I don't know it makes for much of a change snoopcester - 08/05/2010 04:20:26 PM 1118 Views
I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister? Rebekah - 08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM 1069 Views
The latter, I'd say. Legolas - 08/05/2010 05:43:23 PM 1365 Views
Brown is PM at the moment p hart - 08/05/2010 06:16:48 PM 996 Views
They certainly can. Werthead - 09/05/2010 04:37:46 PM 1093 Views
God, our system is fucked up *NM* Monkey - 07/05/2010 06:25:04 PM 586 Views
If i were the tories p hart - 07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM 1045 Views
That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? Legolas - 07/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 1339 Views
Re: That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh? p hart - 08/05/2010 06:11:38 PM 1089 Views
Sounds like the pressure is on for Cameron snoopcester - 08/05/2010 02:01:49 PM 1094 Views
Hmmm Balwer - 13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM 1363 Views
Completely uncalled for! Rebekah - 13/05/2010 01:12:05 PM 1174 Views
How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? Legolas - 13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM 1458 Views
Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM 1057 Views
Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 Balwer - 14/05/2010 09:53:49 AM 1046 Views
Re: Yes I jumped the gun on the 12 snoopcester - 14/05/2010 10:45:35 AM 951 Views
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