I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation
Mark Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM
With a Single Transferable Vote much like Ireland uses. This would involve multi-seat seat constituencies.
From wikipedia
This method of proportional representation uses a system of preferential voting to determine the results of the election
A constituency elects two or more representatives per electorate. Consequently the constituency is proportionally larger than a single member constituency. Parties tend to offer as many candidates as they most optimistically could expect to win: the major parties may nominate almost as many candidates as there are seats, while the minor parties and independents rather fewer. Voters mark their ballot, allocating preferences to their preferred ranking for some or all candidates. A successful candidate must achieve a quota, being the total number of votes received divided by the number of candidates to be elected plus one, plus one; i.e. in a nine member constituency the quota would be (the number of votes divided by 10) +1. Only in a few cases is this achieved at the first count. For the second count, if a candidate wins election her/his surplus vote (in excess of the quota) is transferred to her/his voters' second choices; otherwise, the least popular candidate is eliminated and her/his votes redistributed according to the second preference shown on them. If there are more than one candidate who can not get enough votes after the transfer of votes of least popular candidate, she or he will be eliminated too (as they could not avoid it on the next round under any circumstance).
This process continues for as many counts as are needed until all seats are filled either by the required number of candidates achieving a quota and being deemed to be elected or until there are only the number of candidates remaining as there are number of seats. Although the counting process is complicated, voting is clear and most voters get at least one of their preferences elected.
All deputies are answerable directly to their local constituents. Some political scientists argue that STV is more properly classified as 'semi-proportional' as there is no assurance of a proportional result at a nationwide level. Indeed, many advocates of STV would argue that preventing nationwide proportionality is one of the primary goals of the system, to avoid the perceived risks of a very highly fragmented legislature.
It's a far from perfect system and many here (including myself) would rather we move to a list system, but it is certainly an improvement over first past the post single seat constituencies.
From wikipedia
This method of proportional representation uses a system of preferential voting to determine the results of the election
A constituency elects two or more representatives per electorate. Consequently the constituency is proportionally larger than a single member constituency. Parties tend to offer as many candidates as they most optimistically could expect to win: the major parties may nominate almost as many candidates as there are seats, while the minor parties and independents rather fewer. Voters mark their ballot, allocating preferences to their preferred ranking for some or all candidates. A successful candidate must achieve a quota, being the total number of votes received divided by the number of candidates to be elected plus one, plus one; i.e. in a nine member constituency the quota would be (the number of votes divided by 10) +1. Only in a few cases is this achieved at the first count. For the second count, if a candidate wins election her/his surplus vote (in excess of the quota) is transferred to her/his voters' second choices; otherwise, the least popular candidate is eliminated and her/his votes redistributed according to the second preference shown on them. If there are more than one candidate who can not get enough votes after the transfer of votes of least popular candidate, she or he will be eliminated too (as they could not avoid it on the next round under any circumstance).
This process continues for as many counts as are needed until all seats are filled either by the required number of candidates achieving a quota and being deemed to be elected or until there are only the number of candidates remaining as there are number of seats. Although the counting process is complicated, voting is clear and most voters get at least one of their preferences elected.
All deputies are answerable directly to their local constituents. Some political scientists argue that STV is more properly classified as 'semi-proportional' as there is no assurance of a proportional result at a nationwide level. Indeed, many advocates of STV would argue that preventing nationwide proportionality is one of the primary goals of the system, to avoid the perceived risks of a very highly fragmented legislature.
It's a far from perfect system and many here (including myself) would rather we move to a list system, but it is certainly an improvement over first past the post single seat constituencies.
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Lib Dems: Up 1% of the vote, down 10% of the seats.
07/05/2010 09:29:03 AM
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So what would you move to?
07/05/2010 09:53:51 AM
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I imagine if the UK changes it will move to Proportional Representation
07/05/2010 10:04:38 AM
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God I hate the British system
07/05/2010 10:24:35 AM
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It's an excellent morning. Conservatives are at 301 right now. *NM*
07/05/2010 01:57:52 PM
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Indeed
07/05/2010 02:22:37 PM
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I love how they're calling that option "The Coalition of the Losers".
07/05/2010 02:27:56 PM
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They are? Where?
07/05/2010 02:38:01 PM
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On the lovely BBC. Paxman, Robinson, Dimbleby et al.
07/05/2010 02:52:01 PM
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Ah, we have it on but with the sound turned down - the subtitlers must be skipping that phrase
07/05/2010 03:13:57 PM
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The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results.
07/05/2010 03:45:58 PM
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Re: The thing with PR is, the current vote results are a horrid predictor for PR vote results.
07/05/2010 03:52:19 PM
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I'm sure it would be a setup for new elections in a few months if they did. *NM*
07/05/2010 02:40:49 PM
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I suspect we'll get one of those anyway.
07/05/2010 02:52:32 PM
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What is the general consensus on who would win or lose from new elections?
07/05/2010 02:57:04 PM
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I've not heard any comment on this yet. I might have missed some.
07/05/2010 02:58:00 PM
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Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 03:21:23 PM
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Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 03:29:37 PM
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Re: Not being talked about yet - I'd guess whoever is PM will lose though
07/05/2010 04:04:03 PM
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I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn
07/05/2010 04:09:51 PM
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Re: I suspect a great deal of the problem is George Osborn
07/05/2010 04:24:56 PM
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I'm sure he is
07/05/2010 04:25:20 PM
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Heh.
07/05/2010 04:27:44 PM
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Re: Heh.
07/05/2010 04:43:18 PM
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His talking about "Portillo moments" was one of the best parts of the BBC's election broadcast. *NM*
07/05/2010 08:14:11 PM
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If they got PR as part of the deal it would be worth it
07/05/2010 02:42:36 PM
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Possibly.
07/05/2010 02:53:28 PM
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Re: Possibly.
07/05/2010 03:00:55 PM
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Sylvia Hermon the independent unionist would probably support them as well
07/05/2010 02:44:35 PM
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Re: Indeed
07/05/2010 03:45:00 PM
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Re: Indeed
07/05/2010 03:59:41 PM
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Well I'm fairly sure some Shinners have attended Tory conferences in the past
07/05/2010 04:05:56 PM
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The breakdown is pretty wack
07/05/2010 11:07:20 AM
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Tell me about it.
07/05/2010 11:14:44 AM
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I'm in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency.
07/05/2010 11:56:04 AM
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A simple change is all
07/05/2010 01:16:16 PM
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Not that simple
07/05/2010 02:45:00 PM
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Because my school was a polling station we used to get the day off every polling day
07/05/2010 02:51:18 PM
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Re: Not that simple
07/05/2010 03:04:57 PM
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PR is hardly too difficult to implement and is much more democratic
07/05/2010 02:48:01 PM
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What's amazing is that the exit polls are actually looking astonishingly correct, now. Huh. *NM*
07/05/2010 03:35:12 PM
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As soon as i turned on the TV, i was being told the Exit polls must be wrong
07/05/2010 03:47:15 PM
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Oh, and the other interesting thing will be seeing whether the Conservatives offer....
07/05/2010 03:57:52 PM
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Until you bring Lady Thatcher back, all of your elections are just pick-the-least-offensive anyway. *NM*
07/05/2010 04:08:32 PM
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Well her son is good at starting coups, so maybe he might be hired for her return. *NM*
07/05/2010 04:28:52 PM
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Whatever it takes.
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07/05/2010 04:31:13 PM
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Please no, the milk stealer is still used to frighten children in Scotland
07/05/2010 04:47:26 PM
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OK here is the map of England by constituency, blue Tory, red NUlab
07/05/2010 05:00:20 PM
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So I'm just one of those upstart colonists....explain to me what is going on....
07/05/2010 05:26:59 PM
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Basically...
07/05/2010 06:43:10 PM
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And things are changing already
08/05/2010 04:08:47 PM
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I thought they weren't allowed to do that if Brown isn't Prime Minister?
08/05/2010 04:52:39 PM
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If i were the tories
07/05/2010 11:28:43 PM
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That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh?
07/05/2010 11:59:58 PM
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Re: That is hilarious. Both Brown and Dimbleby have been around for a while, huh?
08/05/2010 06:11:38 PM
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Hmmm
13/05/2010 12:08:04 PM
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How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post?
13/05/2010 09:52:24 PM
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Re: How was he supposed to know that at the time he made the post?
13/05/2010 10:59:35 PM
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