Active Users:486 Time:30/06/2025 11:43:15 PM
There are several points to the book/series Larry Send a noteboard - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
The book is about power and the limitations of power. An over riding theme in all of the books is that you have these incredible powerful people but they are for the most part helpless victims of circumstance and their own arrogance. Look at Paul and Leto II. Both were unimaginable powerful men who were trapped by their power.

Movements and ideas on the other hand are incredible powerful in Herbert’s books but they are destructive and uncontrollable. It is true that conflict between the groups is not well developed but that isn’t because the main conflict is with the planet it is because the main conflicts are internal conflicts and conflicts inside the Atreides household.

Finally a book isn’t flawed because it reflects the attitudes and beliefs of the times or the person who wrote it instead it is what makes them worth reading. You don’t have to agree with those ideas but seeing them isn’t a flaw.


Although perhaps "flaw" was a strong word to use (I was thinking in terms of a flaw/impediment to my full enjoyment), I would argue that Herbert had several points going at once. The power issues I will address more in the next two volumes, as I seem to recall them coming to a head there even more than it does in the first novel. I would also posit that environment (in the all-encompassing sense of the word) shapes the attitudes toward politics and religion that do dominate this novel and the following two. I'm not going to be covering every possibility exhaustively in these breezy reviews/commentaries. I am going to be raising points of consideration that are taken from the novels as I read them, in hopes that constructive comments such as yours can add to the discussion of the novel :D
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
Reply to message
Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1966 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1083 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1270 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1197 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1198 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1250 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1053 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1087 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 962 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 933 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 916 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1059 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 991 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 970 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1012 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 958 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 990 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1076 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 949 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 944 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 838 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 992 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1072 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 962 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 967 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1443 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 472 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1141 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1099 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1164 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1346 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1111 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1291 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 987 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1548 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1345 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1299 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1224 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 986 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 417 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 421 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1208 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 934 Views
I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 886 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 888 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 809 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 929 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 815 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1042 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1008 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 983 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 890 Views
Re: Depends - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1237 Views
read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 876 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 838 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1114 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 851 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 922 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 878 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1226 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1035 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1075 Views

Reply to Message