Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
The book is about power and the limitations of power. An over riding theme in all of the books is that you have these incredible powerful people but they are for the most part helpless victims of circumstance and their own arrogance. Look at Paul and Leto II. Both were unimaginable powerful men who were trapped by their power.
Movements and ideas on the other hand are incredible powerful in Herbert’s books but they are destructive and uncontrollable. It is true that conflict between the groups is not well developed but that isn’t because the main conflict is with the planet it is because the main conflicts are internal conflicts and conflicts inside the Atreides household.
Finally a book isn’t flawed because it reflects the attitudes and beliefs of the times or the person who wrote it instead it is what makes them worth reading. You don’t have to agree with those ideas but seeing them isn’t a flaw.
Movements and ideas on the other hand are incredible powerful in Herbert’s books but they are destructive and uncontrollable. It is true that conflict between the groups is not well developed but that isn’t because the main conflict is with the planet it is because the main conflicts are internal conflicts and conflicts inside the Atreides household.
Finally a book isn’t flawed because it reflects the attitudes and beliefs of the times or the person who wrote it instead it is what makes them worth reading. You don’t have to agree with those ideas but seeing them isn’t a flaw.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM
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17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
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17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM
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Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM
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Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM
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That was most of my issue.
21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
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Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
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A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM
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22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM
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22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
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Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM
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23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM
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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM
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Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
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Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
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I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM
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There are several points to the book/series
17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
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Everyone get something different from a book
19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM
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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
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I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM
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Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM
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17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
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Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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I didn't see that in Alia
21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM
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There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM
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OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
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One of my favorite series!
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I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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