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??? Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM
What other king can claim the military conquests of Artur Paendrag Tanreal, or his legal achievements as a head of state? Not to mention, he's the greatest man in his age, when he is an ordinary mortal with no superpowers, in a world dominated by people with powers, where his gender's dominance is undone by that very same lack of powers. He would have stood out as a real world mundane ruler, but he also forestalled a massive crisis by confronting the arch-evil power of Darkness. The Trolloc invasion Hawkwing stopped WOULD have conquered the world if he had not beat them, as we see in the portal stone world. What took the Compact of the Ten Nations, with the White Tower at its peak of strength and power decades to do, and ruined themselves in the process, was prevented by Hawkwing by himself. Hawkwing not only kicked ass as an ordinary guy, he took on the super-powered folks and would have won, if not for the supertitious subjects who were cowed into helping them. 1,000 years after his death, one of the scariest things you can threaten the White Tower with is "another Hawkwing."


Except that half of Hawkwing's greatness had to do with his supernatural power that bent reality to his will. Even if this is excusable, after his first wife died he became a tyrant and it was only through the intervention of his second wife that the world survived his wrath. Secondly, he became a puppet for one of the Forsaken, and died a madman.
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The greatest King in Fantasy Dannymac - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 1892 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1270 Views
I would argue with you. Dannymac - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1237 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1275 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1270 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1286 Views
when I read the actual book... LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1291 Views
"The actual character"? Which of the countless different ones? *NM* Legolas - 10/04/2010 12:21:00 AM 571 Views
i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:51:44 AM 1366 Views
There isn't an "actual book." Le Morte d'Arthur is a relatively early compilation of legends. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 03:09:40 AM 619 Views
Re: i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:17:12 AM 1281 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1320 Views
My money is still on Aragorn Camilla - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1383 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1250 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1214 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1270 Views
Hm nossy - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1322 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. Legolas - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1219 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1478 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. Legolas - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1320 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1215 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate imlad - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1307 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1225 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1309 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1377 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Camilla - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1381 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. Legolas - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1463 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1268 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1234 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1278 Views
Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:55:23 PM 1284 Views
Re: Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 07:04:37 PM 1286 Views
thought of a better example: Arien the Maia of the Sun was single and far more powerful than Tilion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 09:17:34 PM 1520 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. imlad - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1383 Views
That was my first assumption too, but evidently not. *NM* Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:22:39 PM 553 Views
I changed it to Livia Augusta Sheesh, you people-- a guy mistypes one time!! *NM* lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:29:03 PM 617 Views
I call bullshit Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1217 Views
Re: I call bullshit lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1236 Views
Re: I call bullshit Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1322 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1316 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. Camilla - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1189 Views
Exactly. Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1296 Views
Re: Exactly. Camilla - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1360 Views
I was going to say something similar. nossy - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1237 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1232 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1243 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1517 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1287 Views
As in, there are many important aspects of being king he doesn't have to face. Legolas - 09/04/2010 08:07:16 PM 1266 Views
well technically speaking he WAS the king when he did all those things. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:15:26 AM 1276 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1125 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1221 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1386 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1188 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though random thoughts - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1181 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1235 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* ironclad - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 587 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! imlad - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1298 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 558 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1254 Views
Rohan was a whiny hypocritical bitch who failed at the only real test of rulership he ever faced. Cannoli - 10/04/2010 02:51:34 AM 1295 Views
That actually slipped my mind. I can't believe that. Myrdhyn - 16/04/2010 04:44:46 PM 1330 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* Kotagg - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 560 Views
ROFL *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 537 Views
Artur Hawkwing Cannoli - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1394 Views
Alexander the Great? *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 05:08:25 AM 586 Views
AH conquered more, did better, & was not a huge d-bag. Alex would have commissioned that big statue *NM* Cannoli - 12/04/2010 03:00:39 PM 568 Views
And both managed to have their so-called "empires" crumble within a year of their death. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 06:12:20 PM 573 Views
Which just reinforces how awesome AH was - no one else could do what he did Cannoli - 13/04/2010 11:50:54 AM 1330 Views
??? Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 1646 Views
Ta'veren is not a power, it is an accomodation with what the Pattern demands of certain people Cannoli - 12/04/2010 02:56:57 PM 1226 Views
Simba *NM* BlackAdder - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 608 Views
Manwe Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1547 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 688 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1298 Views
Westley Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1236 Views
Leto Atreides II random thoughts - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1193 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* imlad - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 560 Views
What's the name of the Lemur-thing that's the King in "the penguins of madagascar"? He gets my vote! *NM* Mjolner - 14/04/2010 04:46:42 AM 619 Views
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