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I would argue with you. Dannymac Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM
Real life mythology always wins out over the wholly fantastic in my mind. Arthur's amazing because he occupies the twilight realm between fiction and fact, where history and story and magic all collide.


I thought about Arthur, of course, but his majesty comes primarily in what he represents. He has his glorious moments of course, and certainly powerful (and laudable) ambitions, but for me there are far too many instances where he is anything but glorious, and downright weak, paralyzed by the pulls of justice and love. His inability to control Mordred, etc...

Don't get me wrong, I love the Arthur mythos, but as a character himself?
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The greatest King in Fantasy Dannymac - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 1814 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1210 Views
I would argue with you. Dannymac - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1161 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1207 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1204 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. Ghavrel - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1224 Views
when I read the actual book... LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1218 Views
"The actual character"? Which of the countless different ones? *NM* Legolas - 10/04/2010 12:21:00 AM 547 Views
i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:51:44 AM 1288 Views
There isn't an "actual book." Le Morte d'Arthur is a relatively early compilation of legends. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 03:09:40 AM 588 Views
Re: i mean the actual character of Arthur in the actual book. Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:17:12 AM 1222 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1252 Views
My money is still on Aragorn Camilla - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1325 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... LadyLorraine - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1174 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1146 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1206 Views
Hm nossy - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1257 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. Legolas - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1158 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1410 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. Legolas - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1285 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1150 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate imlad - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1233 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1167 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1233 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1302 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. Camilla - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1320 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. Legolas - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1398 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1202 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1159 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1201 Views
Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 06:55:23 PM 1205 Views
Re: Nienna, the Valier of Mercy, was single and a wanderer. She's not the most powerful, but... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 07:04:37 PM 1222 Views
thought of a better example: Arien the Maia of the Sun was single and far more powerful than Tilion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 09:17:34 PM 1459 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. imlad - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1317 Views
That was my first assumption too, but evidently not. *NM* Legolas - 09/04/2010 05:22:39 PM 536 Views
I changed it to Livia Augusta Sheesh, you people-- a guy mistypes one time!! *NM* lyringlas - 09/04/2010 05:29:03 PM 585 Views
I call bullshit Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1153 Views
Re: I call bullshit lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1172 Views
Re: I call bullshit Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1253 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1249 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. Camilla - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1120 Views
Exactly. Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1218 Views
Re: Exactly. Camilla - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1296 Views
I was going to say something similar. nossy - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1180 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... Camilla - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1167 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1175 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1477 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1221 Views
As in, there are many important aspects of being king he doesn't have to face. Legolas - 09/04/2010 08:07:16 PM 1201 Views
well technically speaking he WAS the king when he did all those things. LadyLorraine - 10/04/2010 12:15:26 AM 1206 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1058 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1163 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? lyringlas - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1308 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? Camilla - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1155 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though random thoughts - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1108 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Legolas - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1166 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* ironclad - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 552 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! imlad - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1228 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 532 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... Myrdhyn - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1187 Views
Rohan was a whiny hypocritical bitch who failed at the only real test of rulership he ever faced. Cannoli - 10/04/2010 02:51:34 AM 1228 Views
That actually slipped my mind. I can't believe that. Myrdhyn - 16/04/2010 04:44:46 PM 1263 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* Kotagg - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 533 Views
ROFL *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 506 Views
Artur Hawkwing Cannoli - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1321 Views
Alexander the Great? *NM* Ghavrel - 10/04/2010 05:08:25 AM 560 Views
AH conquered more, did better, & was not a huge d-bag. Alex would have commissioned that big statue *NM* Cannoli - 12/04/2010 03:00:39 PM 539 Views
And both managed to have their so-called "empires" crumble within a year of their death. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2010 06:12:20 PM 545 Views
Which just reinforces how awesome AH was - no one else could do what he did Cannoli - 13/04/2010 11:50:54 AM 1249 Views
??? Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 1569 Views
Ta'veren is not a power, it is an accomodation with what the Pattern demands of certain people Cannoli - 12/04/2010 02:56:57 PM 1163 Views
Simba *NM* BlackAdder - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 579 Views
Manwe Sidious - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1472 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 660 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor AgentOrange - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1229 Views
Westley Comet Sedai - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1156 Views
Leto Atreides II random thoughts - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1122 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* imlad - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 533 Views
What's the name of the Lemur-thing that's the King in "the penguins of madagascar"? He gets my vote! *NM* Mjolner - 14/04/2010 04:46:42 AM 588 Views
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