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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
Zhivago (Pasternak) is in love with Russia. He falls in love with the Russia he knows from childhood (Tonya) and thinks he would be happy with her, perhaps even in a Platonic mystical marriage. However, that safe, comfortable attachment is not enough for him, as he starts to notice the Revolution that is about to break (Lara). He feels an uncontrollable attraction to the Revolution and throws himself into it with reckless abandon, sacrificing his family, his home and nearly his life, before coming to the realization that he cannot stay in the moment of the Revolution and that he has lost everything (both Tonya and Lara). The dehumanizing experience of Soviet Russia (the partisans slowly coming to resemble animals in their winter quarters) breaks him, but he still loves his homeland, despite the fact that the grey, lacklustre Russia that remains is now almost his enemy, humiliating him and making him suffer all manner of indignities (Marina, his third woman).
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago. Tom - 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM 1555 Views
I liked it a lot. wahooka - 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM 819 Views
I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM 748 Views
Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution wahooka - 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM 860 Views
Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates. Tom - 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM 685 Views
I see your point. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:36:30 PM 775 Views
The idea of revolution was perpetual. In theory, anyway. The Shrike - 16/03/2010 12:30:46 AM 843 Views
So far, so good ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:58:44 PM 806 Views
There are lots of good quotes. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:20:26 PM 670 Views
I have finally finished it. ranagrande - 22/03/2010 12:31:24 AM 832 Views
There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM 740 Views
... I'm clearly lacking in braincells. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM 833 Views
... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM* jh - 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM 318 Views
It's not contagious! Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:47:41 PM 665 Views
It probably is. Don't worry, we still like you! *NM* Tom - 15/03/2010 09:55:07 PM 321 Views
I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM 771 Views
Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM 876 Views
Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living" Tom - 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM 722 Views
I knew those Larry - 15/03/2010 11:22:02 PM 814 Views
I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM 871 Views
On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM 777 Views
I noticed that as well Larry - 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM 855 Views
There is a lot of Christian eschatology, too Tom - 15/03/2010 09:46:59 PM 771 Views
Yes Larry - 15/03/2010 11:23:23 PM 911 Views
Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM* Rebekah - 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM 306 Views
My initial thoughts Beqi - 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM 821 Views
Re: My initial thoughts wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM 747 Views
Which idioms were you talking about? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:43:09 PM 798 Views
Re: Which idioms were you talking about? wahooka - 15/03/2010 10:07:23 PM 778 Views
The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first Tom - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM 761 Views
There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM 742 Views
This is my first novel in that genre, fiction or non. Beqi - 15/03/2010 08:22:04 PM 662 Views
I've read bits & pieces. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM 785 Views
Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM 909 Views
Interestingly, I'm seeing parallels now that I'm reading Gibbon. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:53:15 PM 779 Views
Koenker was mine for Soviet history. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:08:40 PM 1052 Views
Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM 794 Views
Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting. Tashmere - 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM 720 Views
I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM* Rebekah - 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM 300 Views
Finally got around to reading this. Thanks for sharing. *NM* Rebekah - 22/03/2010 04:45:24 PM 317 Views
You're welcome. *NM* The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 277 Views
I knew a bit about it. wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:36:20 PM 882 Views
Fiction or non-fiction? Larry - 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM 915 Views
Do you mean Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:54:34 PM 764 Views
Ten...I was typing from memories of close to 15 years ago Larry - 15/03/2010 10:57:05 PM 761 Views
Either, though specifically I was thinking of non-fiction. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:11:52 PM 802 Views
That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM 804 Views
Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period. Jacob - 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM 819 Views
Enough to understand everything easily enough. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 633 Views
My own personal thoughts on Doctor Zhivago Tom - 15/03/2010 11:44:05 PM 999 Views
This review has been helpful so far for me. Tashmere - 23/03/2010 11:39:51 PM 715 Views
Essay I just finished writing on the book Larry - 16/03/2010 01:26:23 AM 1125 Views
I'm really enjoying it. nossy - 16/03/2010 03:05:25 AM 804 Views
Hey, if I can come late to the party, so can you. *NM* Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:04:15 AM 243 Views
I'm still sailing through it AgentOrange - 16/03/2010 09:25:34 PM 799 Views
Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you? Tashmere - 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM 767 Views
Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM* Tom - 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM 280 Views
Some questions. Rebekah - 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM 718 Views
Class can be tricky given the Russian context. The Shrike - 19/03/2010 05:09:14 PM 894 Views
Grand. Thanks for the answers. Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:33:18 PM 740 Views
As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Tom - 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM 767 Views
Re: As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:36:36 PM 786 Views
No, Tonya was exiled. It was a fortune of timing. Tom - 20/03/2010 05:22:44 PM 786 Views
The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them The Shrike - 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM 816 Views
It looks a bit strained to me. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM 706 Views
So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM 814 Views
In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM 755 Views
I figured that you would like it. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:06 PM 881 Views
I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM 573 Views
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