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Re: I think it gets labelled antifeminist because, well, it's Bella, the heroine, and she's so young Danae al'Thor Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 06:26:37 PM
But I am not sure Stephanie Meyer, as a writer, has a purpose for positively-written women or men who do not love.

I don't mean that she sees them only as hangers-on to male protagonists, but I've read these, and I've read her The Host, and all the time it seems to me that - amongst other things that make me wonder if I am a feminazi after all - the greatest passion she is able to characters with (male or female) is love. Romantic love especially.

Bella may have been a good character. but she was never allowed to have her very own plot. If you get what I mean? All of her plot was provided to her by other people, usually male, or male-accessed. These males were usually in love with her. This is a girl who has never really been alone, or sought something entirely for herself as an end that stands independently of other relationships not despite or inspite them but just of itself.



At one point in Breaking Dawn, I was thinking Jacob and Leah would end up together - both had been hurting themselves for months or years moping over someone they knew they couldn't have (thanks to that other person being in True Love with someone else), and they seemed to be getting closer fast. But no, that would've been too... prosaic for Meyer. Not True Love enough, or something. So she does that insane thing with Jacob.

And by the end of the series, pretty much everyone has been partnered off somehow, and they all have fantastic True Love relationships with the person of their dreams, etc. I don't mind books that glorify love - Rowling does it a lot, though she has a broader view of love - but Meyer's fairy-tale kind is annoying.

You're also right about those two powerful men both falling in love with the average girl that Bella is... it does read more like a fantasy, some romantic girly fantasy of having two men fight over you, with the men all "perfect" and the girl just perfectly ordinary. But it's true that the way she doesn't know what she wants to do with her life - in itself a normal enough thing for someone in the final year of high school - and then decides to let her whole life turn around that man she's crazy in love with... yeah, ick. I still maintain it's not truly anti-feminist, though, because Meyer does the same thing with her male characters, and among the supposedly perfect Cullens, more often than not the women take the lead.


and there is this massive power imbalance here. Not a gender imbalance per se - though, actually, I could go on and on - but the simple fact that Bella does not know who she is, while Edward and Jacob do know who they are (even if all that they know about themselves is "Vampire/Werewolf who does stuff";) gives E and J more agency, more power about what they want to do, and what they want to be. Bella has to make all these decisions around these men, while they make their decisions about her around themselves. I - it is a difference that seemed very clear to me, when I was reading the novels.

(I do not remember enough about the Cullens to make a valid point here. So I am just throwing this in, and you can do with it as you please: All those women are vampires, yes? Esme was made a vampire after she left her abusive husband and then almost died - vampirism was a way for her "husband" to give her agency, and of course to maintain a long term relationship with her. The girl with visions was institutionalised, and was again turned in an act of rescue. Rosalie was raped, and then turned - again, an act of rescue, of conferring upon the helpless lovely woman (via the man who then adopted her) agency.

... I cannot make this point very clearly, but I would be very careful how I assumed that these were strong women. These were rescued women, who gained power with the permission of the man who made them the people they are today.

Don't get me started on the monster baby.)

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As I don't believe we've actually had a review of this yet... Stephenie Meyer's Twilight series. - 14/02/2010 04:08:51 PM 1384 Views
I think the series is codswallop...and that it DID have potential - 14/02/2010 04:59:56 PM 768 Views
As I said, the second book is better in some regards thanks to that. - 14/02/2010 05:06:29 PM 848 Views
I normally would agree with you - 14/02/2010 06:05:36 PM 699 Views
Re: I normally would agree with you - 15/02/2010 10:10:01 PM 642 Views
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Re: I'm going to be very unkind and possibly factually wrong here, since it has been a while. - 14/02/2010 05:52:52 PM 766 Views
Yeah, absolutely true (spoilers). - 14/02/2010 06:14:58 PM 766 Views
maybe not anti-feminist... - 14/02/2010 06:21:44 PM 848 Views
Re: I think it gets labelled antifeminist because, well, it's Bella, the heroine, and she's so young - 14/02/2010 06:26:37 PM 936 Views
I love your point about the other "Strong women" - 14/02/2010 06:43:05 PM 741 Views
Re: What is LDS? *NM* - 14/02/2010 06:44:36 PM 297 Views
Probably, but that doesn't make them right. - 14/02/2010 07:11:19 PM 902 Views
Re: The point I was trying to make there, to some extent... - 14/02/2010 07:20:36 PM 681 Views
precisely - 14/02/2010 06:17:18 PM 692 Views
They lost me with twinkly vampires *NM* - 14/02/2010 09:22:01 PM 404 Views
I think it could have been sold better - 14/02/2010 09:35:07 PM 675 Views
Vampires should be tragic at best monsters at worst - 15/02/2010 04:58:15 PM 699 Views
I thought that was strange too - 15/02/2010 09:19:26 PM 707 Views
I think I would rather just eat people then be stuck in high school forever - 16/02/2010 09:22:07 PM 732 Views
You just had to do it, didn't you? *possible spoiler* - 15/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1037 Views
yes *spoilers* - 15/02/2010 02:02:27 AM 778 Views
You haven't even read that book! *NM* - 15/02/2010 10:50:49 AM 288 Views
I've read more about it than I've cared to. *NM* - 15/02/2010 09:20:07 PM 276 Views
Yeah. It's one of those things that sound worse out of context than they are in the book itself... - 15/02/2010 10:57:47 AM 748 Views
Re: Monster Demon Baby! - 15/02/2010 12:56:39 PM 736 Views
Wow, dude. Just. Wow. *NM* - 16/02/2010 02:29:31 AM 281 Views
Great way to label this series... - 26/02/2010 07:40:47 PM 812 Views
I read a lot of PNR (paranormal romance for you book snobs out there) and thus have read these too. - 15/02/2010 09:55:54 PM 726 Views
I totally agree about book four. - 15/02/2010 10:02:43 PM 658 Views
Mormon fantasy...haha - 15/02/2010 10:06:58 PM 1136 Views
*lmao* There are gay men who like Edward? - 15/02/2010 10:12:37 PM 849 Views
Re: *lmao* There are gay men who like Edward? - 15/02/2010 10:16:32 PM 735 Views

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