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Interesting. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM
Bringing down fantasy from epic scope to a character-based level doesn't really start happening until the time of Cook, if not Cook himself. There are still really strong ties between his work and present works. As you pointed out, Erikson is Black Company 2.0.


I am not disputing this. What I said was that Cook's influence cannot be that great as he was not published outside of North America for many years (until just a few years ago, in fact), whilst what he did for American fantasy was mirrored by what David Gemmell was doing in Britain and arguably Andrzej Sapkowski in Europe at the same time (the late 1980s/early 1990s).

It's a bit like Matt Stover, whose own books have never been published in Europe. Having people going on about the Caine books and how influential/important they are results in a lot of bemusement from British SF&F fans, whose reaction is mainly, "Who, that STAR WARS guy? What?"
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 1741 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1433 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 721 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1260 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1362 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1262 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1437 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1303 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 731 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1423 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1312 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1255 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 574 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1038 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1396 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1142 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1282 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1214 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 482 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 658 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1187 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1141 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1272 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1289 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1213 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1157 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 710 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 932 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1120 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 645 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 613 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1198 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1194 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1204 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1158 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 954 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 548 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 591 Views
Re: Six best fantasy novels? Aeryn - 04/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 1301 Views
I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1083 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1056 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1164 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 634 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 623 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1186 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1196 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1236 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1279 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 663 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1078 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1216 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1220 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1240 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1369 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1310 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 559 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 611 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1094 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1176 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1176 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1268 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1246 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1110 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 672 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 521 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1268 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1112 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1017 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1135 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1179 Views
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