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In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM
Bringing down fantasy from epic scope to a character-based level doesn't really start happening until the time of Cook, if not Cook himself. There are still really strong ties between his work and present works. As you pointed out, Erikson is Black Company 2.0.


I am not disputing this. What I said was that Cook's influence cannot be that great as he was not published outside of North America for many years (until just a few years ago, in fact), whilst what he did for American fantasy was mirrored by what David Gemmell was doing in Britain and arguably Andrzej Sapkowski in Europe at the same time (the late 1980s/early 1990s).

It's a bit like Matt Stover, whose own books have never been published in Europe. Having people going on about the Caine books and how influential/important they are results in a lot of bemusement from British SF&F fans, whose reaction is mainly, "Who, that STAR WARS guy? What?"
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 1933 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1624 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 809 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1439 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1553 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1422 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1611 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1470 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 815 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1595 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1492 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1422 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 656 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1216 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1563 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1342 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1426 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1379 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 572 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 742 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1364 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1313 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1454 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1470 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1386 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1305 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 794 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 1104 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1312 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 722 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 700 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1377 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1365 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1365 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1330 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 1112 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 635 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 676 Views
Re: Six best fantasy novels? Aeryn - 04/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 1478 Views
I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1276 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1232 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1329 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 721 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 717 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1376 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1373 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1423 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1461 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 750 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1248 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1400 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1404 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1423 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1523 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1495 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 651 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 702 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1259 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1361 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1351 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1440 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1416 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1278 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 758 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 597 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1459 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1283 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1197 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1312 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1349 Views
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