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I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead Send a noteboard - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM
Sorry, posted that in the wrong place.

Mieville's place is down to writing talent, which he has in spades, storytelling abilities, worldbuilding, characters (although he is a little bit weaker in this area than some others) and the underrated ability to come up with good monsters.

His role in popularising the New Weird - which was merely a codifying of an existing subgenre consisting of THE DYING EARTH, Brian Aldiss' HOTHOUSE (an SF-rationalised version of the New Weird, anyway), THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN, VIRICONIUM and the PLANESCAPE D&D setting - is also noteworthy but I think overrated. He didn't create it.

I don't find his politics too intrusive, although I point out that I have not read IRON COUNCIL, which is where they apparently go into overdrive (and is also reportedly his worst novel). Based on PERDIDO STREET STATION, UN LUN DUN, THE CITY AND THE CITY and his remarkable short fiction in LOOKING FOR JAKE, he is more than worthy of inclusion on such a list. UN LUN DUN was probably the best fantasy novel released in 2007 and THE CITY AND THE CITY is up there for this year.

I still need to read IRON COUNCIL, KING RAT and THE SCAR though.
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 1731 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1423 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 714 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1247 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1348 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1247 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1423 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1286 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 725 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1410 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1301 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1242 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 567 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1024 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1383 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1130 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1269 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1200 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 475 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 648 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1174 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1128 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1257 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1277 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1199 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1145 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 702 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 927 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1107 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 640 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 608 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1183 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1182 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1192 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1145 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 941 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 541 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 583 Views
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Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1042 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1152 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 626 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 615 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1173 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1183 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1219 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1265 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 655 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1062 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1198 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1207 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1225 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1357 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1298 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 551 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 605 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1081 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1163 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1164 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1248 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1234 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1094 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 666 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 515 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1256 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1098 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1002 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1122 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1161 Views
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