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Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM
But in terms of the Book Club for this specific site? Well, the reason people come to this site is that they happen to appreciate a certain kind of literature, and that's probably what they're more apt to discuss here. This is where you come when you want to discuss science fiction and fantasy. That's not to say we don't read classics and "traditional" literature, but with all the websites in the world, surely there are some where people have book clubs discussing non-spec fic.

Hmmm. I am not sure I agree. I came to this site because I wanted to know what the hell was going on in on fantasy series ten years ago. I stayed because there was interesting discussion on a wide variety of subjects, including literature.


You do have a point there, but I still feel that the main reason *most* people come here is for spec fic. I am personally certainly not against discussing other things, although I tend to look like an idiot when I do, but the impression I get is that when people come to this site (wotmania turned RAFO) they are going to be most enthusiastic about the spec fic. Whether or not it's what everyone wants, I do think that's the focus of the site, and for right now at least, probably what it does best.

Ben has observed, and I am sure he is right, that we will only get new members by having a clear focus on something we are better at than the rest of the crazy internet people. But that should not exclude discussion (even organised discussion) of other subjects.

As for the extended fast food restaurant analogy: The best burgers are found in other places than Macdonalds, usually in places where they make other good food as well.


Well, yes. But people definitely get cravings for McDonald's, whether or not they make the best burgers. It's about what feels good at the moment.
Taking a break from being Ella

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In Support of Other Fiction Tom - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2156 Views
Rebekah - 01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM 1230 Views
Re: Tom - 01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM 1207 Views
you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't imlad - 03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM 1213 Views
Wow...we were just Santified *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 615 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. jh - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1133 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. Tom - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1237 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. The Name With No Man - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1263 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1220 Views
perhaps some university will do a study imlad - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1184 Views
I'd like to see it Tom - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1237 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1164 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... Tom - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1186 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. The Name With No Man - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1141 Views
I'd like to see it. Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1195 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan Camilla - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1165 Views
I was thinking about that too Tom - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1158 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1261 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1155 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. Camilla - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1187 Views
It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM 1161 Views
I Totally Missed That. Joel - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1244 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1234 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1314 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? Camilla - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1235 Views
They're Thick Bookends. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1173 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1265 Views
Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM 1189 Views
I like it. Ghavrel - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1190 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1335 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time AgentOrange - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1278 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1267 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? imlad - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1237 Views
PJF is dirty? rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1100 Views
Nice post. Legolas - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1289 Views
Perhaps you're right. Tom - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1147 Views
In its entirety? No. Legolas - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1192 Views
I agree! Dragonsworn - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1397 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1110 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... Larry - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1292 Views
Popcorn? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1223 Views
Yes Larry - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1269 Views
Lovecraft? Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1256 Views
Re-read what I said Larry - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1314 Views
aahh Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1179 Views
I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry Tom - 02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM 1222 Views
It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life Larry - 02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM 1222 Views
That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM 1174 Views
Well, I understand two out of those three languages Larry - 02/12/2009 03:56:00 AM 1174 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... imlad - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 1043 Views
I concur Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1155 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). Tom - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1230 Views
Thank you Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1165 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 563 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1239 Views
hehehe Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1120 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? Wibble - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1273 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction Camilla - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1219 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1171 Views
it didn't come across that way imlad - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1194 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1146 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows imlad - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 1091 Views
We agree! Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1173 Views
WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM 1341 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1237 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* imlad - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 513 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1265 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. Aeryn - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1177 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1160 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1101 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. Werthead - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1102 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man imlad - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1161 Views
Which brings us back to my point. Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1216 Views
I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM 1111 Views
Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer. Camilla - 04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM 1132 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1227 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today imlad - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1176 Views
don't get me wrong imlad - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1201 Views
"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM 1210 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive Werthead - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1162 Views
No, they are not Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1172 Views
This line is a load of bull bme - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1282 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? nossy - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1137 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? Tom - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1144 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1151 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1139 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 602 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* nossy - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1294 Views
I was born in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1195 Views
I know. nossy - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1127 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? Tom - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1173 Views
lmao Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1324 Views
*piledrivers you* nossy - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1106 Views
...! Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1141 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1159 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1106 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1110 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1162 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. Vodalus - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1138 Views
Thank you! Tom - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 1034 Views
Shitstorm! Vodalus - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1100 Views
Heh heh heh. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1150 Views
Read what you like to read. Craig - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1233 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 564 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! Craig - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1151 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1185 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. Craig - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1258 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1149 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1178 Views
Agreed. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1099 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1096 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. Craig - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1221 Views
I really did get under your skin Tom - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1089 Views
Craig - 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1087 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. lord-of-shadow - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1165 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. Tom - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1121 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. Craig - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1139 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. Tom - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 1058 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 555 Views
LOL! rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1111 Views
See, you just proved my point. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1152 Views
Hm. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1751 Views
Re-read my exact point. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1091 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1252 Views
There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM 1166 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1252 Views
As I see it... Camilla - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1146 Views
Yep. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1289 Views
Re: Yep. Camilla - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1153 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. Tom - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 1069 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1094 Views
I know. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1166 Views
Re: I know. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1105 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. Lupine - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1257 Views
I wasn't looking to generate controversy Tom - 02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM 1269 Views
Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit. Lupine - 02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM 1255 Views
Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate. Tom - 02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM 1116 Views
Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM* Craig - 02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM 558 Views
Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately. Tom - 02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM 1077 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. Jacob - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1133 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1116 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic Jacob - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1132 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1085 Views
You're playing a game. Jacob - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1170 Views
I like your response. *NM* Aeryn - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 525 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1154 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. Jacob - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1203 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 1077 Views
Bulgakov Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1147 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1116 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. Camilla - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 1068 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1111 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. Camilla - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1158 Views
I suppose. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1148 Views
Re: I suppose. Camilla - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1151 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* Ouranid - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 558 Views
That is what I mean Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 1075 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1186 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1143 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction Tom - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1219 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. Ouranid - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1198 Views
There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM 1211 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1168 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. Tom - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1116 Views
the illiad is a classic LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1154 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad Tom - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1118 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* LadyLorraine - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 583 Views
Maybe not. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 546 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree Beqi - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1116 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Tom - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1135 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! Camilla - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1100 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 585 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1238 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1132 Views
Re: Hmmm Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1155 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. Rebekah - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1207 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. AgentOrange - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1160 Views
Heh Rebekah - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1164 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom AgentOrange - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1125 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom Camilla - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1156 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1104 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1239 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1235 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. Tom - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1213 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. Cockatiel of Doom - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1115 Views
I agree with in principle random thoughts - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1089 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1215 Views
I have a few objections. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1170 Views
where else should we talk about it? LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1132 Views
There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM 1220 Views
This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes. Tom - 03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM 14167 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line Chas - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1179 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Tom - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1196 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy Chas - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1246 Views
That's it Ouranid - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1253 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: Tom - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1170 Views
Certainly Ouranid - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1229 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 475 Views
According to whom? *NM* Camilla - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 610 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 583 Views
Yes, it is but actually... Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1158 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1084 Views
Really? Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1127 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* everynametaken - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 578 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 570 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* everynametaken - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 584 Views
another thing wrong with your argument imlad - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1141 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. Tom - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 960 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) imlad - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1268 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: Tom - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1196 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, Camilla - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1170 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough random thoughts - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1120 Views
is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM* imlad - 03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM 518 Views
Well, for once we're discussing books...and their value. *NM* Tom - 03/12/2009 06:54:01 PM 584 Views
Congratulations on the replies count Ellestra - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1268 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Tom - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1182 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1203 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1126 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1286 Views
YES. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1069 Views
NO Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1174 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1144 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1179 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. Ellestra - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1149 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX AgentOrange - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 1083 Views
This is not about the personal taste Ellestra - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1183 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... rebelaessedai - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1102 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. Tom - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1215 Views
What, your penis? rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1115 Views
Don't you know it! Tom - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 1017 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1166 Views
Hate to break it to you... Craig - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1213 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... rebelaessedai - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1275 Views
Metaphor versus literalism Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1190 Views
Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however. Tom - 04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM 1103 Views
Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it. Legolas - 05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM 1131 Views
While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM 1112 Views
Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM 1107 Views
I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book. Tom - 05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM 1097 Views
aha. but. Camilla - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1311 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. Tom - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1250 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then Camilla - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1148 Views
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