Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
In Support of Other Fiction
01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM
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01/12/2009 09:22:56 PM
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Re:
01/12/2009 09:28:04 PM
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you shouldn't feel the need to defend a non SF/F suggestion, just don't
03/12/2009 03:34:28 PM
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Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction.
01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM
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I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality.
01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM
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That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That.
01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM
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I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point.
02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM
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perhaps some university will do a study
03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM
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I'd like to see it
03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM
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I Think I'll Post a Thread on This.
03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM
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I'd like to see it.
03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM
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Regarding depth in Jordan
03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM
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I was thinking about that too
03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM
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Re: I was thinking about that too
03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM
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Destroying the Wheel is meaningless.
03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM
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Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless.
03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM
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It would. Destroying the Wheel would likely make him a Buddhist.
03/12/2009 10:51:17 PM
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I Totally Missed That.
04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM
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Re: I Totally Missed That.
04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM
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I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative.
04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM
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Re: Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction.
02/12/2009 12:28:30 AM
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I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time
01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM
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wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer???
03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM
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Nice post.
02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM
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I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half...
02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM
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Popcorn?
02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM
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I'm glad I could drive you from your Carthusian retreat, Larry
02/12/2009 01:58:49 AM
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It won't last for long - have too many things still to deal with in my life
02/12/2009 02:36:15 AM
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That's too bad. I'll have to learn monasterial sign language to continue a dialogue.
02/12/2009 03:49:01 AM
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I concur
02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM
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I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing).
02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM
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Am i the only one who reads books for fun?
02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM
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I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason.
02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM
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Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school,
02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM
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one of the things that is important to me in books/shows
03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM
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WoT has decent characterization, though a little overwrought. Harrington... not so much.
04/12/2009 04:26:43 AM
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Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie.
02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM
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Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous.
02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM
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I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting.
02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM
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I would not disagree with you if you said that.
02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM
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Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though.
03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM
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Which brings us back to my point.
03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM
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I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer.
04/12/2009 05:24:02 PM
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Re: I would like to see the study and statistics that produced this answer.
04/12/2009 10:42:33 PM
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Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category
02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM
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Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today
02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM
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"Pertinent", not "Pertinant". If it weren't in all caps I'd have ignored it this time.
02/12/2009 02:13:36 AM
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SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive
02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM
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So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction?
02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM
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Why must we limit our focus in that way?
02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM
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I don't see it as limiting or forcing.
02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM
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"Elite club" or "elitist clique"?
02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM
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Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay*
02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM
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I was born in the Midwest.
02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM
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I know.
02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM
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...!
02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM
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Admit it. You know what I'm talking about.
02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM
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Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about.
02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM
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Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist.
02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM
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Read what you like to read.
02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM
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I'll super size you. Fine. *NM*
02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM
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Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat!
02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM
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I seem to have struck a nerve.
02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM
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Apparently not the nerve you think, though.
02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM
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Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure.
02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM
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Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure.
02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM
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I really did get under your skin
02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM
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Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass.
03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM
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You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care.
03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM
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I keep replying. It's like a sickness.
03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM
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Hm.
02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM
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Re-read my exact point.
02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM
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No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential.
02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM
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There may have been an assumption about literature due to the reason for the post.
02/12/2009 02:37:47 PM
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Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy
02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM
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As I see it...
02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM
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Yep.
02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM
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Re: Yep.
02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM
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Euripides was poorly received, initially.
02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM
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I wasn't looking to generate controversy
02/12/2009 02:19:13 PM
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Well... then I'm going to have to agree with Craig a bit.
02/12/2009 02:32:59 PM
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Well, I was being somewhat denigrating. "Unnecessarily" or not is a matter of debate.
02/12/2009 02:40:29 PM
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Well, it's only "unnecessary" if you don't want people to be turned off of your message immediately. *NM*
02/12/2009 09:42:46 PM
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Judging from the responses, most people weren't turned off immediately.
02/12/2009 09:59:35 PM
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All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity.
02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM
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Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no.
02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM
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I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic
02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM
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It seems a regressive argument to me.
03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM
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You're playing a game.
03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM
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I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction.
03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM
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Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies?
02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM
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Bulgakov
02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM
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I've only read the first chapter of M&M.
02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM
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Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M.
02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM
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Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me.
02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM
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Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me.
02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM
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I suppose.
02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM
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Re: I suppose.
02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM
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This was something I was exploring earlier.
02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM
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Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist.
02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM
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I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction
02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM
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Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler.
02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM
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There's an interesting book in Russian that might be translated somewhere.
02/12/2009 10:02:48 PM
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i think it comes more down to quality than genre.
02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM
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I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points.
02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM
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the illiad is a classic
02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM
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There's only one "L" in Iliad
02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM
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It took me a few minutes to agree
02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM
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Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post!
02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM
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Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree.
02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM
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The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read.
02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM
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Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this.
02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM
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Heh
02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM
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I have a few objections.
03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM
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where else should we talk about it?
03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM
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There's a difference between having threads about it and focusing the official book club on it.
03/12/2009 12:40:53 AM
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This is the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Board for site optimization purposes.
03/12/2009 01:07:39 AM
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random thoughts stole my subject line
03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM
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I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy
03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM
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That's it
03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM
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Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following:
03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM
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technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM*
03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM
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Yes, it is but actually...
03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM
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But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM*
03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM
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another thing wrong with your argument
03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM
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Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad.
03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM
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sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent)
03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM
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is it just me, or is this now the largest post/thread yet on RAFO.com??? 168 replies so far! *NM*
03/12/2009 05:03:25 PM
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Congratulations on the replies count
03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM
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That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree.
03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM
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Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree.
04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM
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But the objective truth of a setting can be measured.
04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM
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But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book?
06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM
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Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree.
04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM
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Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree.
06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM
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I've obviously missed the show here...
04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM
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I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing.
04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM
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What, your penis?
06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM
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Don't you know it!
06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM
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You talk the talk, that's for sure.
07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM
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Metaphor versus literalism
04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM
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Metaphor divorced from the reality runs risks, however.
04/12/2009 10:25:47 PM
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Honestly, the moral can always be dismissed as inapplicable if you want to dismiss it.
05/12/2009 12:16:39 AM
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While that's true, it's much harder to just dismiss Mockingbird.
05/12/2009 03:57:42 AM
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Then why read fiction at all? It's all a diversion.
05/12/2009 04:16:06 PM
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I think people should read non-fiction, and The Nine Hundred Days is an excellent book.
05/12/2009 04:41:50 PM
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aha. but.
07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM
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