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Magic System... or is there one? Jacob Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM
Readers are introduced to Scholes world with a very powerful and destructive display of magical power. A city is destroyed completely by a single massive attack. Yet, what do we know about magic in this world by the end of the novel?

Scholes delineates a few types of magic, earth magic and blood magic for example. We get several examples of earth magic being practiced. The Scout Magics are earth magic, while the Marsher's voice magic, is blood magic. We are told that blood magics where outlawed by the Order and all allied nations, and it is mentioned that a terrible and 'evil' price was paid to access the powers of blood magic.

I find the earth magics that show up in LAMENTATION to be pretty well integrated into the story, and plausible enough. The voice magic, unexplained, still worked for me. It's when I think about that major spell, the The Seven Polyphonic Deaths (or whatever it's called), where I start having questions. Earth magic is derived from properties of the earth, and blood magic... from elements of ritual surrounding the blood. Still, the spell the Isaak sings is words and he is a robot. We are told that this is a most terrible of blood magics, but my question is how? There probably isn't an answer to that one, perhaps a story hole, but it's something to think about.

The elements of dreaming and mysticism fit well with in the story style, and again were well utilized by Scholes in the narrative.

Anyway, what do you think? What did you enjoy about the 'magic' of LAMENTATION? What did you find lacking?
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Lamentation by Ken Scholes the Discussion Thread - 06/11/2009 04:57:27 PM 982 Views
The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 06/11/2009 06:43:57 PM 713 Views
Reminded me of WoT... - 06/11/2009 09:41:44 PM 731 Views
There are some definite similarities. - 07/11/2009 07:57:38 PM 663 Views
Same here, at least as far as the world creation goes. - 12/11/2009 05:18:27 PM 652 Views
Can't believe I never noticed that... - 13/11/2009 05:04:27 AM 697 Views
Complete with salty sayings, even! - 13/11/2009 04:05:45 PM 633 Views
At least it wasn't as heavy-handed in LAMENTATION. - 13/11/2009 08:42:36 PM 667 Views
But Siuan's fish talk is fun! - 13/11/2009 10:22:23 PM 682 Views
As in most cases with Jordan... - 16/11/2009 05:02:21 PM 713 Views
He did not... - 16/11/2009 10:21:15 PM 727 Views
Yes, he most certainly did. - 17/11/2009 02:20:28 PM 748 Views
What? - 18/11/2009 07:58:21 AM 748 Views
Re: The setting/created world of the Psalms of Isaak. - 07/11/2009 05:07:08 AM 710 Views
Well, if it isn't.. - 07/11/2009 07:54:36 PM 664 Views
/Setting: codes and ciphers - 10/11/2009 12:19:27 AM 654 Views
That did bug me a bit... - 10/11/2009 01:31:04 AM 728 Views
I certainly liked the idea... - 10/11/2009 05:22:00 PM 651 Views
Glad to know I wasn't the only way who noticed this - 12/11/2009 01:40:53 AM 628 Views
Nonverbal languages - 12/11/2009 05:28:38 PM 726 Views
Re: Nonverbal languages - 13/11/2009 05:09:25 PM 608 Views
It does require... - 13/11/2009 08:51:46 PM 628 Views
Magic System... or is there one? - 06/11/2009 07:07:20 PM 771 Views
My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 07:38:26 PM 845 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 06/11/2009 08:56:55 PM 933 Views
Re: My thoughts. (i.e. <insert generic subject here>) - 07/11/2009 01:28:51 AM 901 Views
Themes... - 06/11/2009 09:00:23 PM 779 Views
Loss of innocents... - 07/11/2009 05:15:40 AM 782 Views
Absolutely. - 10/11/2009 07:39:29 PM 651 Views
Re: Themes... - 07/11/2009 04:34:12 PM 759 Views
I think... - 07/11/2009 07:52:12 PM 681 Views
Re: I think... - 08/11/2009 12:42:05 AM 661 Views
I purchased this as an afterthought. - 07/11/2009 04:00:42 PM 734 Views
Characters... - 08/11/2009 02:30:30 AM 729 Views
Isaak, or "he who laughs". - 08/11/2009 02:54:44 AM 791 Views
Indeed. - 10/11/2009 05:31:55 PM 607 Views
I hope we never do get a POV from him. - 10/11/2009 09:10:49 PM 678 Views
Me too. - 11/11/2009 02:20:04 PM 660 Views
That's funny... - 11/11/2009 06:04:13 PM 654 Views
Personally I can't wait to see how Neb developes... *NM* - 10/11/2009 12:05:05 AM 342 Views
Yes, - 10/11/2009 05:27:04 PM 696 Views
Re: Yes, - 10/11/2009 08:01:14 PM 850 Views
Well... hold out. - 10/11/2009 08:23:39 PM 638 Views
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Winters & Neb - 11/11/2009 04:56:35 PM 686 Views
Being, deep down, a romantic at heart... - 12/11/2009 05:31:54 PM 839 Views
I like it too. - 12/11/2009 07:52:05 PM 669 Views
Climactic events and the let down... - 11/11/2009 06:56:33 AM 690 Views
In such a way, the book is a Lament. - 11/11/2009 02:18:17 PM 709 Views
Should you ever conduct an interview with Scholes, would you ask him... - 12/11/2009 05:51:52 PM 668 Views
That's a great question. - 12/11/2009 07:38:13 PM 656 Views

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