Classic novels are books like A Tale of Two Cities, Don Quixote, The Brothers Karamazov or Les Miserables.
Most people wouldn't include science fiction as a category that generates "classic novels" (with some notable exceptions). The reason is that there is no "recognized value" (using your definition) to stories that are primarily entertainment but have little deeper meaning. Additionally, for those that do have deeper meaning (Lem, for example), frequently they are too recent to have established a consensus on "value" - part of what makes a book a classic is that it stands the test of time and retains value several generations after it is written.
Most people wouldn't include science fiction as a category that generates "classic novels" (with some notable exceptions). The reason is that there is no "recognized value" (using your definition) to stories that are primarily entertainment but have little deeper meaning. Additionally, for those that do have deeper meaning (Lem, for example), frequently they are too recent to have established a consensus on "value" - part of what makes a book a classic is that it stands the test of time and retains value several generations after it is written.
I agree. I don't think the books I listed necessarily reach the level of "classics" as you describe. However, since this is a SF/F message board, I assumed folks would realize I meant classic SF/F.
If I was posting to a board devoted to rock music and I said I wanted to listen to some classics, people wouldn't assume I meant Beethoven or Mozart. I need to be more clear in the future. Lesson learned.
But, hey, if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize, Hyperion can be a classic.
*MySmiley*
I'm drinkin' some George Jones,
and a little bit of Coe
Haggard's easin' my misery
and Waylon's keepin' me from home
Hank's givin' me those high times-
Cash is gonna sing it low
I'm here gettin' wasted-
just like my country heroes -Hank III
I'm drinkin' some George Jones,
and a little bit of Coe
Haggard's easin' my misery
and Waylon's keepin' me from home
Hank's givin' me those high times-
Cash is gonna sing it low
I'm here gettin' wasted-
just like my country heroes -Hank III
November Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club: submissions ended! ... New new edit on 18/10/2009
08/10/2009 06:56:01 PM
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Nabokov's The Original of Laura
08/10/2009 08:19:01 PM
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I'd love that.
08/10/2009 08:25:39 PM
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Well, we could always discuss Nabokov in December.
08/10/2009 11:18:57 PM
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I'd be up for reading Doctor Zhivago.
08/10/2009 10:08:09 PM
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yeah, me too. only need to find it in a library near me. *NM*
08/10/2009 10:09:32 PM
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Don't be cheap. Buy it.
08/10/2009 11:16:18 PM
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Well, I would, but I don't like online bookstores.
09/10/2009 01:19:19 AM
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Well, but you just said you didn't know if you could find it in the library.
09/10/2009 02:07:54 AM
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AS Byatt - Possession.
08/10/2009 10:21:39 PM
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i loved that book!!! she is amazing. just wonderful writing... *NM*
13/10/2009 08:44:59 PM
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How about a classic novel?
08/10/2009 11:30:31 PM
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You have a very strange definition of classics... *NM*
09/10/2009 01:20:37 AM
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Replace "strange" with "erroneous" and I'll agree with you.
09/10/2009 02:09:27 AM
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Really?
09/10/2009 03:08:53 AM
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for classic science fiction, your list contained one I could support...
09/10/2009 11:06:34 AM
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You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard.
09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM
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I understand your point. However...
09/10/2009 05:47:54 PM
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I like your list.
09/10/2009 03:02:09 PM
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I think if you're gonna do Eco, picking another book to start with would be wiser... *NM*
09/10/2009 03:28:50 PM
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And what book would that be???
09/10/2009 03:47:49 PM
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Foucault's Pendulum seems like the obvious one.
09/10/2009 03:58:37 PM
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Based on past experiences here and elsewhere, it'll be hard to choose the "right" book
09/10/2009 02:46:22 AM
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That Hitchhiker book is as genuine as the "new" Winnie-the-Pooh book
09/10/2009 02:54:23 PM
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Perhaps, but it's worth remembering that...
09/10/2009 03:45:53 PM
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Adams killed Arthur Dent for a reason
09/10/2009 05:02:23 PM
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The movie was not faithful to the books in any meaningful way. *NM*
09/10/2009 08:58:01 PM
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The movie sucked, yes. Adams had also been dead for four years when it came out. *NM*
10/10/2009 02:19:38 AM
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Right.
10/10/2009 02:37:08 AM
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One little thing
10/10/2009 02:39:01 AM
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Perhaps
09/10/2009 06:08:17 PM
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So on Monday we'll find out if the widow's cash need resulted in a good book.
10/10/2009 04:21:22 AM
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A question for you all.
09/10/2009 03:04:17 PM
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You didn't mention the rapture! If that happens, will the club still be on? *NM*
11/10/2009 07:51:59 AM
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I'd say yes. Pretty sure the people here will be Left Behind. *NM*
11/10/2009 12:39:05 PM
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Some will probably even be actively serving the Antichrist.
11/10/2009 04:16:45 PM
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