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You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM
Classic novels are books like A Tale of Two Cities, Don Quixote, The Brothers Karamazov or Les Miserables.

Most people wouldn't include science fiction as a category that generates "classic novels" (with some notable exceptions). The reason is that there is no "recognized value" (using your definition) to stories that are primarily entertainment but have little deeper meaning. Additionally, for those that do have deeper meaning (Lem, for example), frequently they are too recent to have established a consensus on "value" - part of what makes a book a classic is that it stands the test of time and retains value several generations after it is written.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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November Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club: submissions ended! ... New new edit on 18/10/2009 Rebekah - 08/10/2009 06:56:01 PM 1618 Views
Nabokov's The Original of Laura Tom - 08/10/2009 08:19:01 PM 1121 Views
I'd love that. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:25:39 PM 1140 Views
The real problem... Jacob - 08/10/2009 08:40:50 PM 1046 Views
That's a good point too. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:45:30 PM 987 Views
Well, we could always discuss Nabokov in December. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:18:57 PM 956 Views
Done! Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:30 PM 974 Views
Hmm...I'm still thinking about the name Tom - 09/10/2009 03:57:48 PM 1085 Views
I'd be up for reading Doctor Zhivago. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:08:09 PM 982 Views
yeah, me too. only need to find it in a library near me. *NM* jh - 08/10/2009 10:09:32 PM 406 Views
Don't be cheap. Buy it. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:16:18 PM 985 Views
Well, I would, but I don't like online bookstores. jh - 09/10/2009 01:19:19 AM 1036 Views
Well, but you just said you didn't know if you could find it in the library. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:07:54 AM 989 Views
Oh, but... jh - 09/10/2009 11:01:01 AM 956 Views
Also: I did not say any such thing. *NM* jh - 10/10/2009 12:49:06 PM 409 Views
The Gone-Away World, obviously Camilla - 08/10/2009 09:23:12 PM 926 Views
Obviously. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:47 PM 955 Views
I second these statements *NM* Stephen - 13/10/2009 09:37:28 PM 434 Views
This one *NM* ironclad - 19/10/2009 10:44:37 PM 416 Views
AS Byatt - Possession. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:21:39 PM 986 Views
It is a book of wonder. Possibly not good for the masses. *NM* Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:01:13 PM 509 Views
Perfect timing! Or, perhaps in December. Comet Sedai - 09/10/2009 09:35:00 PM 1117 Views
i loved that book!!! she is amazing. just wonderful writing... *NM* temeraire - 13/10/2009 08:44:59 PM 394 Views
How about a classic novel? Haggard - 08/10/2009 11:30:31 PM 1209 Views
You have a very strange definition of classics... *NM* jh - 09/10/2009 01:20:37 AM 434 Views
Replace "strange" with "erroneous" and I'll agree with you. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:09:27 AM 959 Views
Really? Haggard - 09/10/2009 03:08:53 AM 1437 Views
for classic science fiction, your list contained one I could support... jh - 09/10/2009 11:06:34 AM 980 Views
I'd be up for those. *NM* Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:34:19 PM 602 Views
You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM 1048 Views
I understand your point. However... Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:47:54 PM 1396 Views
This isn't really a SF/F Board Tom - 09/10/2009 09:35:06 PM 964 Views
I like your list. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:02:09 PM 937 Views
I think if you're gonna do Eco, picking another book to start with would be wiser... *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:28:50 PM 415 Views
Why? Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:32:05 PM 897 Views
And what book would that be??? Tom - 09/10/2009 03:47:49 PM 983 Views
Foucault's Pendulum seems like the obvious one. Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:58:37 PM 1051 Views
Having both FP and NotR recently... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 04:31:00 PM 904 Views
No way. Tom - 09/10/2009 04:56:39 PM 1103 Views
Oh well. I'll have to blame my faulty memory then. Legolas - 09/10/2009 10:11:55 PM 880 Views
Based on past experiences here and elsewhere, it'll be hard to choose the "right" book Larry - 09/10/2009 02:46:22 AM 1275 Views
That Hitchhiker book is as genuine as the "new" Winnie-the-Pooh book Tom - 09/10/2009 02:54:23 PM 1011 Views
Perhaps, but it's worth remembering that... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 03:45:53 PM 915 Views
Adams killed Arthur Dent for a reason Tom - 09/10/2009 05:02:23 PM 1025 Views
The movie was not faithful to the books in any meaningful way. *NM* RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 08:58:01 PM 405 Views
The movie sucked, yes. Adams had also been dead for four years when it came out. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2009 02:19:38 AM 416 Views
Right. RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:37:08 AM 938 Views
One little thing Larry - 10/10/2009 02:39:01 AM 1009 Views
Are you sure? RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:43:01 AM 953 Views
Yes Larry - 10/10/2009 04:02:40 AM 1194 Views
I stand corrected. Looking forward to your review! RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 01:00:38 PM 893 Views
Perhaps Larry - 09/10/2009 06:08:17 PM 1039 Views
So on Monday we'll find out if the widow's cash need resulted in a good book. Tom - 10/10/2009 04:21:22 AM 925 Views
Pretty much (plus I have to finish reading the second half) Larry - 10/10/2009 05:34:38 AM 924 Views
A contrasting take on the first half of the book RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 04:10:18 PM 889 Views
Pretty sure Eugammon beat you to that sequel. Ghavrel - 19/10/2009 09:31:05 PM 1121 Views
Yes! Camilla - 19/10/2009 09:20:09 AM 820 Views
Rothfuss is a good idea, actually. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 02:59:53 PM 890 Views
There are a few, if I recall Larry - 09/10/2009 06:09:54 PM 872 Views
A question for you all. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:04:17 PM 955 Views
Sounds good to me. *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:29:54 PM 376 Views
I agree , or ... Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:36:03 PM 916 Views
That could work if people were interested enough. Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:40:16 PM 920 Views
That would be cool with me. *NM* Bryce - 10/10/2009 10:32:15 AM 394 Views
Sounds interesting. *NM* BlackAdder - 13/10/2009 08:51:31 PM 356 Views
I suggest Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:58:27 PM 927 Views
Acacia: The War with the Mein by David Anthony Durham Sir Tybalt - 10/10/2009 02:32:59 PM 904 Views
You didn't mention the rapture! If that happens, will the club still be on? *NM* Bryce - 11/10/2009 07:51:59 AM 573 Views
I'd say yes. Pretty sure the people here will be Left Behind. *NM* Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:39:05 PM 496 Views
Some will probably even be actively serving the Antichrist. Tom - 11/10/2009 04:16:45 PM 1123 Views
Prefer not to. Ouranid - 12/10/2009 03:14:30 AM 787 Views
Diary of a Drug Fiend was rather good. *NM* Tom - 12/10/2009 03:57:42 PM 396 Views
A compromise candidate RandAllThor - 14/10/2009 06:40:56 PM 807 Views
Fantastic book! I am always for putting that on any list. *NM* Tom - 14/10/2009 07:03:35 PM 400 Views
Is it bad that I read this as 'submissives wanted' PhotoJim - 14/10/2009 08:04:31 PM 1091 Views
Hyperion *NM* Chas - 15/10/2009 01:56:31 AM 355 Views
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