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You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard. Tom Send a noteboard - 09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM
Classic novels are books like A Tale of Two Cities, Don Quixote, The Brothers Karamazov or Les Miserables.

Most people wouldn't include science fiction as a category that generates "classic novels" (with some notable exceptions). The reason is that there is no "recognized value" (using your definition) to stories that are primarily entertainment but have little deeper meaning. Additionally, for those that do have deeper meaning (Lem, for example), frequently they are too recent to have established a consensus on "value" - part of what makes a book a classic is that it stands the test of time and retains value several generations after it is written.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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November Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Club: submissions ended! ... New new edit on 18/10/2009 Rebekah - 08/10/2009 06:56:01 PM 1591 Views
Nabokov's The Original of Laura Tom - 08/10/2009 08:19:01 PM 1107 Views
I'd love that. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:25:39 PM 1123 Views
The real problem... Jacob - 08/10/2009 08:40:50 PM 1018 Views
That's a good point too. Rebekah - 08/10/2009 08:45:30 PM 963 Views
Well, we could always discuss Nabokov in December. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:18:57 PM 930 Views
Done! Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:30 PM 946 Views
Hmm...I'm still thinking about the name Tom - 09/10/2009 03:57:48 PM 1060 Views
I'd be up for reading Doctor Zhivago. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:08:09 PM 952 Views
yeah, me too. only need to find it in a library near me. *NM* jh - 08/10/2009 10:09:32 PM 397 Views
Don't be cheap. Buy it. Tom - 08/10/2009 11:16:18 PM 963 Views
Well, I would, but I don't like online bookstores. jh - 09/10/2009 01:19:19 AM 1008 Views
Well, but you just said you didn't know if you could find it in the library. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:07:54 AM 963 Views
Oh, but... jh - 09/10/2009 11:01:01 AM 927 Views
Also: I did not say any such thing. *NM* jh - 10/10/2009 12:49:06 PM 399 Views
The Gone-Away World, obviously Camilla - 08/10/2009 09:23:12 PM 901 Views
Obviously. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:00:47 PM 926 Views
I second these statements *NM* Stephen - 13/10/2009 09:37:28 PM 423 Views
This one *NM* ironclad - 19/10/2009 10:44:37 PM 404 Views
AS Byatt - Possession. Legolas - 08/10/2009 10:21:39 PM 961 Views
It is a book of wonder. Possibly not good for the masses. *NM* Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:01:13 PM 500 Views
Perfect timing! Or, perhaps in December. Comet Sedai - 09/10/2009 09:35:00 PM 1089 Views
i loved that book!!! she is amazing. just wonderful writing... *NM* temeraire - 13/10/2009 08:44:59 PM 381 Views
How about a classic novel? Haggard - 08/10/2009 11:30:31 PM 1178 Views
You have a very strange definition of classics... *NM* jh - 09/10/2009 01:20:37 AM 424 Views
Replace "strange" with "erroneous" and I'll agree with you. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:09:27 AM 933 Views
Really? Haggard - 09/10/2009 03:08:53 AM 1407 Views
for classic science fiction, your list contained one I could support... jh - 09/10/2009 11:06:34 AM 958 Views
I'd be up for those. *NM* Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:34:19 PM 587 Views
You said "classic novel". Science fiction doesn't generally meet that standard. Tom - 09/10/2009 02:52:01 PM 1019 Views
I understand your point. However... Haggard - 09/10/2009 05:47:54 PM 1374 Views
This isn't really a SF/F Board Tom - 09/10/2009 09:35:06 PM 937 Views
I like your list. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:02:09 PM 920 Views
I think if you're gonna do Eco, picking another book to start with would be wiser... *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:28:50 PM 407 Views
Why? Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:32:05 PM 878 Views
And what book would that be??? Tom - 09/10/2009 03:47:49 PM 961 Views
Foucault's Pendulum seems like the obvious one. Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:58:37 PM 1023 Views
Having both FP and NotR recently... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 04:31:00 PM 876 Views
No way. Tom - 09/10/2009 04:56:39 PM 1075 Views
Oh well. I'll have to blame my faulty memory then. Legolas - 09/10/2009 10:11:55 PM 850 Views
Based on past experiences here and elsewhere, it'll be hard to choose the "right" book Larry - 09/10/2009 02:46:22 AM 1242 Views
That Hitchhiker book is as genuine as the "new" Winnie-the-Pooh book Tom - 09/10/2009 02:54:23 PM 986 Views
Perhaps, but it's worth remembering that... RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 03:45:53 PM 890 Views
Adams killed Arthur Dent for a reason Tom - 09/10/2009 05:02:23 PM 1002 Views
The movie was not faithful to the books in any meaningful way. *NM* RandAllThor - 09/10/2009 08:58:01 PM 391 Views
The movie sucked, yes. Adams had also been dead for four years when it came out. *NM* Tom - 10/10/2009 02:19:38 AM 403 Views
Right. RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:37:08 AM 907 Views
One little thing Larry - 10/10/2009 02:39:01 AM 984 Views
Are you sure? RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 02:43:01 AM 936 Views
Yes Larry - 10/10/2009 04:02:40 AM 1161 Views
I stand corrected. Looking forward to your review! RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 01:00:38 PM 862 Views
Perhaps Larry - 09/10/2009 06:08:17 PM 1012 Views
So on Monday we'll find out if the widow's cash need resulted in a good book. Tom - 10/10/2009 04:21:22 AM 897 Views
Pretty much (plus I have to finish reading the second half) Larry - 10/10/2009 05:34:38 AM 898 Views
A contrasting take on the first half of the book RandAllThor - 10/10/2009 04:10:18 PM 856 Views
Pretty sure Eugammon beat you to that sequel. Ghavrel - 19/10/2009 09:31:05 PM 1097 Views
Yes! Camilla - 19/10/2009 09:20:09 AM 797 Views
Rothfuss is a good idea, actually. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 02:59:53 PM 865 Views
There are a few, if I recall Larry - 09/10/2009 06:09:54 PM 853 Views
A question for you all. Rebekah - 09/10/2009 03:04:17 PM 929 Views
Sounds good to me. *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2009 03:29:54 PM 364 Views
I agree , or ... Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:36:03 PM 888 Views
That could work if people were interested enough. Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:40:16 PM 897 Views
That would be cool with me. *NM* Bryce - 10/10/2009 10:32:15 AM 383 Views
Sounds interesting. *NM* BlackAdder - 13/10/2009 08:51:31 PM 347 Views
I suggest Nolan - 09/10/2009 04:58:27 PM 900 Views
Acacia: The War with the Mein by David Anthony Durham Sir Tybalt - 10/10/2009 02:32:59 PM 871 Views
You didn't mention the rapture! If that happens, will the club still be on? *NM* Bryce - 11/10/2009 07:51:59 AM 564 Views
I'd say yes. Pretty sure the people here will be Left Behind. *NM* Rebekah - 11/10/2009 12:39:05 PM 486 Views
Some will probably even be actively serving the Antichrist. Tom - 11/10/2009 04:16:45 PM 1101 Views
Prefer not to. Ouranid - 12/10/2009 03:14:30 AM 763 Views
Diary of a Drug Fiend was rather good. *NM* Tom - 12/10/2009 03:57:42 PM 386 Views
A compromise candidate RandAllThor - 14/10/2009 06:40:56 PM 775 Views
Fantastic book! I am always for putting that on any list. *NM* Tom - 14/10/2009 07:03:35 PM 390 Views
Is it bad that I read this as 'submissives wanted' PhotoJim - 14/10/2009 08:04:31 PM 1067 Views
Hyperion *NM* Chas - 15/10/2009 01:56:31 AM 346 Views
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