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Huh? Larry Send a noteboard - 25/06/2013 08:50:25 AM

View original postYou really do discount lord of the rings because of its popularity and its lack of "poetic" writing and focus on characters and plot way to much. It was the first modern fantasy novel and as you say did start a genre. Simply because something is written in flowing prose or rhyme does not make it better.

I discount it because it's not the author's best piece of writing. I consider The Children of Húrin, his Lay of Leithin (sp.?), and The Fall of Arthur to be more impressive writing accomplishments because the first is a moving tragedy and the other two because they are well-crafted (although incomplete/unfinished) poems written in a style that is very difficult to achieve in modern English. LotR pales in comparison because Tolkien does not always achieve a good balance between "elevated" and "common" speech and at times the story suffers from this.

When did I ever say that LotR was the "first modern fantasy novel" or that it "start[ed] a genre?" I believe the opposite of those claims.



View original postThe french books where the digressions are the point that you seem to enjoy so much...are not popular outside academic circles for a reason.

What the fuck are you smoking here?


View original postPointless ramblings do not a novel make no mater how pretty they be.

You've gone off the rails here.


View original postStill as one who loves arthur stories I will find this interesting and probably check this out. One question though..Arthur has always been portrayed as the Christian somewhat causing the fall of the celtics at least in the ones I have read (Mort de Arthur for example) is it different here?

I think you need to reorder your thoughts here, as this was nonsensical in part to me. Yes, Arthur is Christian and yes the Saxons are presented as heathens. The basics are similar to what Malory and those prior to him wrote about.


View original postAlso history behind Geoffrey of Monmouth? Is this where current scholarship says these tales originated? At one point I think they were saying there was actually some king that it was based on..but it was long ago I had time to keep up with scholarship in this area.

I'm only referencing the popularity of the legends; Geoffrey of Monmouth's history of England introduced not just Arthur but other quasi-historical personages to the educated and popular cultures. I have no strong opinion either way on the historicity of Arthur.

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Huh? - 25/06/2013 08:50:25 AM 947 Views
I almost bought it, but unfortunately there's very little text. - 25/06/2013 07:37:20 PM 714 Views
I have to say, in this case it sounds like a pile of shit. It's awful. - 27/06/2013 03:42:00 PM 590 Views
Tennyson is the last point of comparison I'd make here - 29/06/2013 08:18:45 AM 2432 Views
I can't say I'm all that impressed based on the quoted passages, either... - 27/06/2013 07:51:37 PM 1168 Views
I completely agree - 28/06/2013 06:56:57 PM 627 Views

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