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Fair enough. Legolas Send a noteboard - 31/03/2013 12:53:19 AM

View original postWell I mostly loathe Egwene but she does come off a lot more real then Ce'Nedra, and she gets the shit kicked out of her regularly before losing her lover and going out in a blaze of glory. She's a bitch but she's very human. Moraine-> Polgara and Elayne -> Ce'nedra seem better comparisons and while RJ does a less than wonderful job with either of them they do come off better.

The thing with Egwene - at times, fortunately not all the time - is that she seems very strongly Mary Sue in the original sense of being a character who the author wants to be so great and perfect and better than the others, which just irritates readers. Especially in that infamous prisoner in the WT sequence, which seemed intended not only to convince the WT and Elaida of how superb Egwene was, but also the countless readers who had indicated their dislike for her.

So I consider her more "Mary Sue" than any of Eddings' characters - Polgara has a certain "practically perfect in every way" aspect to her, true, but she's modest and far from showy about it (except, again, in her own series, where her impetuosity and resentful temper make her rounded enough). But yes, obviously the comparisons you make make far more sense in terms of roles and characters. And yes, RJ does do a better job - I too have too many fond memories of Eddings to attack him too hard, and still enjoy rereads if not as much anymore as I once did, but his characterization is not too great even by the standards of Robert Jordan or other contemporary epic fantasy writers.

There's a certain similarity to the pair of them, though, when you start thinking about it, in terms of how they characterize women and gender relations - the old-fashioned aspect of it, the notions of women being almost an alien species who conspire to confuse men, and men being pretty much helpless once a woman gets them in her sights, that sort of thing.

View original postPolgara has her irritating qualities but she's not as bad until it gets rubbed in your nose with Sephrenia-clone and she fits the behavior of what you'd expect from the ancient super-sorceress, she's mor ejustified s a Mary-Sue, my biggest objection to her is that she never goes MIA Gandalf or Allanon style to let characters grow or develop without her there to help and overshadow. At least Belgarath gets a long phase of not being there in Queen of Sorcery followed by being weak and presumably powerless in Book 4.

True. As a protagonist, Belgarion really doesn't do much on his own - most of the time he has either Polgara or Belgarath, or a lot of the time both of them, to guide his hand. And even when neither is there, like with the Zakath scenes, he still has the Orb. And the Prophecies.

I thought the attempts to balance Sephrenia worked out alright, actually, though admittedly it's mostly in the Tamuli - with the racial tensions issues and the greater emphasis on her not being without mistakes in her love life. In the Elenium, it's only really Aphrael who cuts her down to size once or twice.

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I was doing a reread of The Belgariad, and while I like it... - 27/03/2013 06:00:11 PM 1106 Views
Interesting. I certainly wouldn't make that comparison... - 27/03/2013 09:30:33 PM 879 Views
About Ce'Nedra - 28/03/2013 01:26:43 PM 833 Views
I guess, but they also learn not to take her too seriously at times like those. - 30/03/2013 09:18:10 PM 726 Views
True, but the fact that they indulge her at all irritates me - 31/03/2013 03:18:37 AM 783 Views
I think you're forgetting David wasn't the only Eddings writing those books - 29/03/2013 05:14:55 PM 792 Views
I liked the "secondary" female characters a lot, actually - 30/03/2013 06:50:07 PM 719 Views
The problem was the longer the secondary's stuck around the more Mary Sue they became - 30/03/2013 09:10:57 PM 755 Views
Yeah, the Hettar thing was pretty random, wasn't it - 31/03/2013 03:20:22 AM 749 Views
Mostly just undercooked - 31/03/2013 04:48:48 AM 694 Views
True, although I feel Polgara (in her own series) and Aphrael hold up well enough even in rereads. - 30/03/2013 09:12:31 PM 785 Views
Polgara the Sorceress was maybe a bit late, but Aphrael is a ffair example - 30/03/2013 10:16:26 PM 973 Views
Fair enough. - 31/03/2013 12:53:19 AM 868 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 31/03/2013 05:44:09 AM 873 Views
I wonder how many participants we would get for an Eddings reread... - 01/04/2013 12:10:00 PM 957 Views
He's a good reread, I just started back up - 01/04/2013 01:38:33 PM 831 Views
I started my reread of Polgara and the first few chapters are awful - 13/04/2013 09:36:01 PM 848 Views
Hm. - 13/04/2013 11:45:32 PM 814 Views
Re: Hm. - 14/04/2013 01:17:13 AM 1067 Views
Re: I was doing a reread of The Belgariad, and while I like it... - 20/04/2013 04:36:03 AM 1014 Views

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