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Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM
For me it doesn't add that much to it though.

Finally, history. I can see the allusions to the War of Roses, though not as much as I had expected. There certainly does not seem to be any clear overlap between the two. I imagine the main overlap will be the reconciliation of two warring factions through a figure who takes part in both. Say, Jon Snow.

It seemed quite strong to me, like the starting point for Martin was reading a history book about the War of the Roses then reworking it. It is jumbled up but there are characters through the story who just feel to me like they are lifted from it, though reworked or moved in context.


Yes. I think my problem is that when someone says "based on War of Roses", I look for that in the plot, where it is not.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 20470 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2733 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2539 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2443 Views
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Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2718 Views
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On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2570 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2442 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2602 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2434 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2547 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2488 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2489 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2704 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2739 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2433 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2510 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2658 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2536 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2555 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1374 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2501 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2370 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2499 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2641 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2432 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2387 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2750 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2469 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2399 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2732 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2461 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2543 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1246 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1283 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1241 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2359 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2628 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2549 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2573 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2504 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2347 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2493 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2339 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2589 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2525 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2622 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2542 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2407 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2538 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2164 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1500 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1314 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1380 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1271 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1369 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1308 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1274 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1426 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1143 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1367 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1323 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1212 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1284 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1189 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1358 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1226 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2327 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2387 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2629 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2998 Views
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