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Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla Send a noteboard - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM
...between the colorful, prideful world that many of the characters think they inhabit, and the brutal reality that Martin frequently reminds us of.

It's an interesting reminder of how unhealthy this universe's societies really are, and the things they do to try to hide from that fact.

Or maybe I'm reading to much into it.


Oh, I like the contrast he sets up. I am just not sure that the catalogues of banners are the best device for that.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 8862 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2344 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2151 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2085 Views
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Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2328 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2159 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2205 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2069 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2219 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2071 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2164 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2122 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2110 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2211 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2335 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2055 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2118 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2174 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2157 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2065 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1169 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2114 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 1997 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2110 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2277 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2060 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2017 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2263 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2094 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2026 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2245 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2087 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2180 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 997 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1057 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1020 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 1977 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2148 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2162 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2052 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2126 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 1973 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2112 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 1973 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2083 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2143 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2103 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2167 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2020 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2035 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 1805 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1276 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1098 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1154 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1045 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1146 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1084 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1055 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1201 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 935 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1139 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1112 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 985 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1053 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 969 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1128 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 990 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 1943 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2050 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2253 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2627 Views
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