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Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla Send a noteboard - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM
...between the colorful, prideful world that many of the characters think they inhabit, and the brutal reality that Martin frequently reminds us of.

It's an interesting reminder of how unhealthy this universe's societies really are, and the things they do to try to hide from that fact.

Or maybe I'm reading to much into it.


Oh, I like the contrast he sets up. I am just not sure that the catalogues of banners are the best device for that.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 8927 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2382 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2198 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2132 Views
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Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2371 Views
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Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2111 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2263 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2115 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2204 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2165 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2154 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2248 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2387 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2096 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2168 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2213 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2202 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2107 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1185 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2161 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2034 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2151 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2314 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2111 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2060 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2306 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2141 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2066 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2283 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2137 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2215 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1017 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1075 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1040 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2017 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2192 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2207 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2102 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2166 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2021 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2156 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2021 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2121 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2182 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2142 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2212 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2065 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2074 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 1849 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1291 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1118 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1175 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1066 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1169 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1104 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1077 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1224 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 951 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1159 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1134 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1007 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1075 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 991 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1148 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1013 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 1989 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2088 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2302 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2672 Views
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