I had my doubts on that score in the original text, but took it out because it got chunky. Damnit.
I did consider that the almost exclusive rape indications could be a ruse. Especially when someone stated flat out that that was what had happened (Robert, I think?). But since all I had to go on was my paranoia, I thought I might be taking it a little far.
I am glad that what I had heard about Jon Snow's parentage being a great mystery is not true.
3. Plot: It seems blatantly obvious to me at this point (indeed, it seemed obvious quite early in the book) that Jon Snow is the son of Ned Stark's sister Lyanna and Rhaegar Targaryen. I assume he raped her (the only possible justification for the rape theme that pervades the series) and that she made her brother swear to keep the child's parentage secret so that Robert would not kill it. I have heard Jon Snow's parentage presented as one of the great mysteries of the series. This depresses me.
It's not meant as a mystery, as it's pretty obvious. But I think you must have missed something. All indications are that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love. I believe in this book Ned remembers her telling him that Robert would never be a good husband. So she most definitely was not interested in Robert. To be fair, there are more clues in later books about the relationship between Lyanna and Rhaegar.
I did consider that the almost exclusive rape indications could be a ruse. Especially when someone stated flat out that that was what had happened (Robert, I think?). But since all I had to go on was my paranoia, I thought I might be taking it a little far.
I am glad that what I had heard about Jon Snow's parentage being a great mystery is not true.
*MySmiley*
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin
- 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM
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Fascinating.
- 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM
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On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM
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Re: On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM
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Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels,
- 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM
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Camilla is indeed a she.
- 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM
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Re: On the Rape issue....
- 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM
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How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape.
- 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM
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The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent.
- 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM
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That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant 
- 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM
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- 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM
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It is not necessary to provide a scene
- 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM
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I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM*
- 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM
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I think you misread one part
- 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM
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I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book
- 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM
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"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"?
- 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM
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Currently kicking myself
- 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM
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what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit...
- 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM
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Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit...
- 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM
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philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting
- 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM
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Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV?
- 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM
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I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast...
- 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM
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Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast...
- 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM
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I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better
- 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM
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Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better
- 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM
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I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain
- 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM
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I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent
- 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM
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A perpetrator-less crime then.
- 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM
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Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli.
- 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM
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You are missing the point.
- 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM
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The later books do add more context and change some of this
- 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM
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Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy.
- 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM
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Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM*
- 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM
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Nonsense. 
- 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM
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- 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM
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Fixed it for you.
- 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM
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Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that.
- 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM
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Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM*
- 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM
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Gosh, this is really turning into something fun.
- 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM
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Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. 
*NM*
- 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM
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*NM*
- 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM
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Huh. I just came to the odd realization...
- 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM
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Don't lock it!
- 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM
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Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already.
- 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM
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That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read
- 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM
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I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour.
- 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM
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