Active Users:641 Time:02/04/2025 04:52:38 AM
Not really. Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM
Tudor's main importance was that he descended from both Lancaster and York, if I recall correctly. Daenerys' line is "pure" Targaryen. Jon Snow, however, does seem to bring together two opposites.

That was what he wanted people to think, yes, and he did marry a princess of the house of York, but even if he had any York ancestry at all (which a quick Wikipedia check seems to deny, but I too seem to recall having heard it), it was clear that he was the leader of the Lancaster party, re-invading the country after York had clearly won the prior stage of the war and taken control of the entire country.

It's interesting, too, that Tudor's claim to Lancastrian ancestry was actually based on descent from an illegitimate Lancaster scion, who was retroactively declared legitimate after his father finally married his mother, when the son was 22 (!).

Anyway, yeah, those parallels don't go very far. The part about the mad king's child (or grandchild, as the case may be) having its brains smashed out against a wall after the violent deposition of the mad king is straight out of Suetonius, on the other hand (I just finished I, Claudius, which is little more than a calque of Suetonius, so contained that story as well). Although I'm not entirely sure if that's come up in book one already or not.
Reply to message
A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 9004 Views
Fascinating. - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2428 Views
Re: Fascinating. - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2244 Views
Mainly the names. - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2177 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2315 Views
Not really. - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2414 Views
Shocking - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2269 Views
On the Rape issue.... - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2284 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2156 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2308 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2159 Views
like all the time. - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2249 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2210 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2200 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2298 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2441 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2143 Views
House Banners/Sigils - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2207 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2097 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2200 Views
I think you misread one part - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2358 Views
Currently kicking myself - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2353 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2186 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2108 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2265 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1070 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1101 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1060 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2258 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2211 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2069 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2202 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2065 Views
You are missing the point. - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2172 Views
Re: You are missing the point. - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2231 Views
Re: You are missing the point. - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2189 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2261 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2113 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2120 Views
That makes sense - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 1890 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1311 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1140 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1200 Views
Nonsense. - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1093 Views
Fixed it for you. - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1193 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1099 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1247 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1188 Views
Don't lock it! - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1157 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1025 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1098 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1015 Views
I may join you - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1172 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1039 Views
The interesting part is... - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2037 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2132 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 2719 Views

Reply to Message