Mary's still presented as better than Lydia and their mother. Kind of.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/04/2012 08:40:40 PM
Love Hardy. Read some of his other books (except Tess, couldn't, not knowing what happens and Hardy makes me feel plenty as it is) and Jude made the biggest impact.
I saw that movie, which is enough to make me never, ever want to read the book. I do intend to read Far From the Madding Crowd and some others though.
Mary: So it's not just bookishness, it's also poor social skills. So what? She never hurt anyone. Given all the anti-bullying campaigns, people are surprisingly quick to defend it whenever they do see it happen- it's as if "real" bullying occurs in a vacuum. It doesn't. Many times the object/victim of the bullying has done some something to be seen as the appropriate object/victim. That doesn't make it ok.
Mr. Bennet says at one point in the book something to the effect of "I have two, no, I should say three, very silly daughters". He considers Mary as silly, yes, but not as much so as her sisters. Of course the thing with Mary is that even her "silly" sisters and mother like to pick on her, but then, that is hardly approved of by the author, or by the heroines Elizabeth and Jane.
She's a female counterpart to Mr. Collins, really - on the few occasions that she gets the opportunity to proclaim her views, she does so nearly as pompously and overbearingly as he does. Of course Mr. Collins ends up in a far better place than she does, but then Austen's books just aren't fair when it comes to comparing men and women, seeing how the society they are set in wasn't. Reading books isn't her flaw; the religious obsession and pomposity are. If you want to read about what happens when Austen makes a similar character into her heroine and glorifies her, I suggest you read Mansfield Park. But somehow I rather doubt you'll like it more.
Edit: hahaha, that totally explains why I couldn't enjoy Pride and Prejudice- I didn't see myself as Elizabeth, I totally put myself in Mary's shoes. I will naturally identify with the person that is worst off. This doesn't interfere with the author's vision when it's someone like Hardy- his protaganist is usually the one worst off. Conversely, this is why I couldn't read Martin.
That's an odd way to read books... though very noble, to be sure.
Just read Pride and Prejudice again.
25/04/2012 04:21:27 PM
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honestly...I liked it better with zombies.
25/04/2012 05:15:12 PM
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Never read that.
25/04/2012 10:14:51 PM
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it has a lot of the charm of the original, and then the additional charm of zombies
25/04/2012 11:36:55 PM
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I don't know what it is about that book, but yes, I do love it.
25/04/2012 06:56:28 PM
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I love Thomas Hardy.
25/04/2012 08:33:41 PM
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Hm. I never could. Which book particularly?
25/04/2012 10:09:16 PM
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Jude the Obscure.
26/04/2012 03:10:25 AM
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Mary's still presented as better than Lydia and their mother. Kind of.
26/04/2012 08:40:40 PM
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Re: Mary's still presented as better than Lydia and their mother. Kind of.
26/04/2012 09:40:14 PM
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See, I keep thinking Jane Austen books are "chick lit" but I like them anyway.
26/04/2012 02:43:07 AM
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Oh, come on. Jane Eyre is a great book.
26/04/2012 08:42:17 PM
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Hated Wuthering Heights. (but not as much as I hate Rochester of course)
26/04/2012 09:31:13 PM
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I don't think the first adaptation is cheating
26/04/2012 10:04:14 PM
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I admit she's too good for him - but isn't that part of the point?
26/04/2012 10:08:13 PM
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Could someone explain to me why Jane Austen's prose is considered good?
27/04/2012 12:24:00 AM
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Dialogue, wit, characters. The plot and descriptive prose are merely functional, true.
27/04/2012 11:26:27 PM
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