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Since you touch on the subject - the show has made me rethink Varys completely. Legolas Send a noteboard - 06/04/2012 09:16:31 PM
Hrmm the people with it being about the Stark's redemption is who do we have left...Bran who at the end of the last book was becoming a tree (which will make him more powerful but only in a very specific way..still wonder if the death he witnessed as a tree was somehow important) Alya who is becoming a hired killer and John who is on the wall...I guess you could count their mother though she is undead really...oh well there is Sansa hmm she could be part of a redemption I guess as queen of the vale but the guy she has controlling her really is the closest we have to evil. I mean he did basically start this whole thing simply for his own advancement. The spider at least did seem to be looking out for the small folk to some extent...I don't know if this is going to be their redemption not much to work with. Are we completely away from parallels with the war of the roses...can that bit of history tell us anything?

If I ever realized all of this while reading the book, I certainly don't remember it now - and I'm left wanting to reread the books to see if it's as clear there: that Varys' reason for supporting a Targaryen restoration from the start is quite simply that he figures it's the only way to restore order in the long run, having a foreign dynasty rule the kingdoms with an iron fist so that the local kings/lords don't keep warring with each other (as doubtful as that theory may be in the light of the Dance of Dragons, Blackfyre rebellion and other intra-Targaryen twists that involved massive bloodshed). And that restoring order, and protecting the small people, is Varys' primary motivation.
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prediciton for the end of the game of throne novels - 03/04/2012 01:36:50 AM 1737 Views
That was my thought. - 03/04/2012 04:22:26 PM 1066 Views
I think there is something deeper going on - 03/04/2012 09:08:51 PM 1179 Views
That would be so predictable and boring that I sincerely hope you are wrong. *NM* - 03/04/2012 09:15:35 PM 471 Views
This. Plus: - 05/04/2012 10:44:07 AM 1379 Views
Re: This. Plus: - 05/04/2012 02:02:34 PM 1117 Views
assuming R+L=J - 06/04/2012 04:26:23 AM 1198 Views
I have been thinking about the endings too, and it has gotten me a bit concerned. - 04/04/2012 04:43:08 PM 1137 Views
I think you're right there. - 04/04/2012 06:48:13 PM 1133 Views
LOL - I figured that. - 04/04/2012 07:05:58 PM 1040 Views
Re: LOL - I figured that. - 05/04/2012 06:14:28 AM 1069 Views
I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 05/04/2012 10:50:12 AM 1369 Views
Re: I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 05/04/2012 02:07:54 PM 1197 Views
Re: I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 06/04/2012 12:11:14 AM 1154 Views
We are completely away from the Wars of the Roses, yes. - 06/04/2012 05:24:33 PM 1306 Views
Since you touch on the subject - the show has made me rethink Varys completely. - 06/04/2012 09:16:31 PM 1189 Views
Minor spoiler if you haven't read the last book - 17/04/2012 03:36:41 PM 1043 Views
I doubt it. - 17/04/2012 03:44:00 PM 1099 Views
Re: I doubt it. - 24/04/2012 06:04:54 AM 1052 Views
no way - 23/04/2012 06:42:17 PM 951 Views

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