I know - but Essos is supposed to be much bigger still.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 08/03/2012 07:08:42 PM
Westeros is the length of South America (3,000 miles from the Wall to the Summer Sea). The relationship between Westeros and Essos in size is apparently akin to that between South America and Asia, which would roughly make Essos between two and three times the size of Westeros. It's not the case that Essos should be so huge that Westeros looks like a little stick of land off to one side (a mistake I've seen some older speculative world maps make).
Agreed, but there should be some justification for the inclination of the Essosi to dismiss Westeros as unimportant - and it's hard to see such a justification if Essos consists of no more than a handful of regions gathered around the Dothraki Sea and Red Waste, considering the point you make yourself below about Westeros being (well, until a few years before the "present" time, anyway...) a single country. With the geography looking like that, it's hard to see how a united Westeros doesn't easily dominate the Free Cities, or could even interfere as far away as Slaver's Bay or Ibben.
We also only have hard info for the sizes of the Free Cities region and Slaver's Bay parts of Essos, which are still basically the western end of the continent. The Dothraki Sea, Qarth, Red Waste, Jade Sea, Shadow Lands, Asshai, Yi Ti, Jhogos Nai etc are all completely unknown in their relative dimensions, but the gist of it is that they extend off to the east for thousands upon thousands of miles. Hopefully we'll see more of this on the official maps (though if they only extend to Asshai, it may be that even those won't show the full extent of Essos, if the unexplored Shadow Lands extend even further east).
Seems like we agree that Essos needs to be much bigger, then.
However, I agree that Westeros' depiction in the books is a bit odd. It's by far the biggest and most cohesive civilisation in the world (that we know of), not far off the size of the Valyrian Freehold (at least that we know of) in size. It seems to get fairly short shrift when it's power should be very considerable.
Agreed. There are some signs of Westerosi power and influence stretching abroad - the presence of Jalabhar Xho at the King's Landing court, for instance - but only small ones. You'd expect more.
ETA: I find the shape of Essos as it's been made out on the newer maps to be aesthetically unpleasing. It really feels like Essos should be a bulky continent which extends north as well as east, but the info we have suggests that Essos extends in a south-easterly direction, which makes the continent fairly narrow around Slaver's Bay and the Dothraki Sea. There's still a fair bit of land in there, but certainly the Dothraki Sea no longer feels like the endless Mongolian/Siberian steppes that the novel seemed to indicate was the case.
Or, and as you can tell I like that idea better, we just haven't been told about the northern parts of Essos (well, I thought of Ibben as part of Essos in my head, but if its distance to the mainland on those maps is justified, it probably shouldn't count as part of any continent). Credible world-building in fantasy entails, in my view, that there are some places in your world that get a lot of attention, and others that are never even mentioned, or not more than once - like Middle-Earth, I guess. It shouldn't be like Eddings, who creates a world and then feels obligated to have his characters visit every place in it.
Obviously a fan-made map couldn't contain places that aren't mentioned in the books, I'm just saying I hope that the author-approved maps do include those. Or, perhaps even better, make clear that there are parts of Essos and Sothoryos that aren't on the maps, or even other continents.
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06/03/2012 02:46:03 PM
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Shouldn't Essos be, you know, bigger? Way bigger?
07/03/2012 08:14:03 PM
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It is huge. But Westeros is much bigger than most people realise.
07/03/2012 11:06:22 PM
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I know - but Essos is supposed to be much bigger still.
08/03/2012 07:08:42 PM
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Looks like someone took a pair of scissors and cut the top half of Essos
15/03/2012 12:38:00 AM
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