I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but
nossy Send a noteboard - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM
As for Tolkien, are his views any different than how many of us (or our family/friends) are when it comes to someone of a different ethnic/social background? That's the real issue, I suspect and I would answer "Not really." I have my own race/class-based prejudices to work on, so why is there such defensiveness when it comes to the fact that an author made some comments and wrote some characters that current readers may find to be objectionable? Best to work on removing those specks from our eyes, I think.
I really have only one question. If we're saying that we can see how some would find it racist/sexist (even having an interesting conversation on the various degrees of personal agreement or disagreement), and one of us is even devil's advocating for just that side, which specks would those be, precisely?
I suppose maybe I'm not allowed to comment on it, since I can be properly racist while she cannot.
(I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think you understand just how far this person has gotten under my skin. It's not about Tolkien, though I obviously have opinions there as well. It's about how racism does exist and how people OF ALL COLORS are working to change that. If anybody can work to help and try to illuminate the masses, we should all be able to be part of the conversation. I feel very strongly that the kind of crap that writer was spouting damages exactly what she might say she's trying to foster. As it is, I get the really strong vibe that she's fostering nothing but her own opinion of herself.)
edit for clarification again: I'm talking primarily about her twitter conversation, not only her blog entry about Tolkien.
This message last edited by nossy on 01/02/2012 at 12:24:52 AM
The racist elements in Tolkien's writing
29/01/2012 01:31:02 PM
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She has some points, of course.
29/01/2012 02:25:32 PM
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Quite a few points
29/01/2012 02:40:45 PM
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I don't find the tone blunt; I find it leading, patronizing and often wrong or inferring too much.
30/01/2012 01:43:27 AM
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Agreed - reading it, I struggled to find any redeeming qualities
30/01/2012 07:32:58 PM
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Agreed, in general. The tremendous bad faith and sophistry turn me off, though.
29/01/2012 09:31:04 PM
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Mostly agreed with the article, but thought she undermined herself with her own racism.
29/01/2012 02:50:11 PM
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Just read your Twitter convo... nice try, but looks like wasted effort. *NM*
29/01/2012 10:37:08 PM
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Well, I'll be honest.
29/01/2012 10:34:46 PM
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Let me try to summarize some of her points with the invective filtered out, then.
29/01/2012 10:48:24 PM
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Thank you.
29/01/2012 11:10:13 PM
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What the hell, might as well go and play devil's advocate, right?
30/01/2012 04:50:30 PM
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I expected that.
30/01/2012 05:39:59 PM
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Of course you did. I'm predictable that way.
30/01/2012 10:28:10 PM
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Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way.
31/01/2012 12:39:46 AM
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Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way.
31/01/2012 08:38:46 PM
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I <3 you, but there are several very key things we are not going to agree on.
31/01/2012 10:02:22 PM
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Hmm?
31/01/2012 10:10:22 PM
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Yeah. I got to reading Encyclopedia of Arda just now, and it told me the same thing.
31/01/2012 10:35:54 PM
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As a sort of group answer (I've been mostly absent from forums the past two days)
31/01/2012 10:45:55 PM
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I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but
31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM
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I'm rarely ever offended
01/02/2012 01:54:58 AM
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She was referring specifically to the Twitter "conversation" I had with the blogger.
01/02/2012 09:05:28 AM
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Yes.
01/02/2012 10:47:22 AM
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It makes me wonder what she thinks is happening in Zimbabwe, for example.
01/02/2012 11:13:11 AM
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I've been thinking about that.
01/02/2012 11:29:18 AM
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That blog post was mostly good, but the exception is a rather large one.
01/02/2012 08:35:57 PM
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What's a neckbeard? And why am I supposed to care? *NM*
30/01/2012 01:29:07 AM
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neckbeards are when the person (either intentionally or through misfortunate genetics)...
30/01/2012 03:21:09 AM
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acrackedmoon is a racist, sexist bore. And I don't even like Tolkien. *NM*
30/01/2012 01:14:17 PM
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