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I laughed while reading it A Deathwatch Guard Send a noteboard - 30/01/2012 04:30:50 PM
Sure much of that stuff is true. If you don't come from the Middle-Earth region, but the Southern-Earth area, then you're bound to be willingly following Sauron, for unexplained reasons (I guess because those people don't have fully developed brains), and if you're a woman in just about anything fantasy/historical, or old, then you can expect to be a fairly weak, or worthless character, only driving plots forward by your need to be rescued or saved, only occasionally using your charm(s) and wits to do things independently.

That's all true. But do I care? Not one bit. Tolkien wrote a long time ago, when these sorts of things were more or less acceptable. Plus, the story centers on Middle-Earth, so we have no idea what happened south of there, and how Sauron forced the people there to serve him. Similarly, let's not forget that Saruman the White (aka, Whitey), betrayed everyone and went over to Sauron. Add in the Treebeard segments, and how Saruman used industry to destroy the forest, and the forest kicked his ass, and it turns out that Tolkien was a downright environmentalist.

Basically, what I'm saying is yes, there are sexist and racist overtones to LotR. And it's not a big deal. Tolkien wrote a long time ago, and when you're really looking for something, you can find evidence of it easily, blowing the whole thing out of proportion.
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The racist elements in Tolkien's writing - 29/01/2012 01:31:02 PM 2492 Views
She has some points, of course. - 29/01/2012 02:25:32 PM 1272 Views
Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 02:40:45 PM 1366 Views
Re: Quite a few points - 29/01/2012 04:59:11 PM 1130 Views
Mostly agreed with the article, but thought she undermined herself with her own racism. - 29/01/2012 02:50:11 PM 1338 Views
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full - 29/01/2012 02:58:05 PM 1333 Views
I'm not bothered by the tone. Annoyance is justified. - 29/01/2012 03:03:07 PM 1271 Views
Re: I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full - 30/01/2012 02:11:07 PM 1281 Views
Do you really believe that? - 30/01/2012 02:44:19 PM 1346 Views
Just read your Twitter convo... nice try, but looks like wasted effort. *NM* - 29/01/2012 10:37:08 PM 578 Views
Yes. - 29/01/2012 10:41:15 PM 1019 Views
Oh, also: - 29/01/2012 03:07:03 PM 1085 Views
Well, I'll be honest. - 29/01/2012 10:34:46 PM 1214 Views
Let me try to summarize some of her points with the invective filtered out, then. - 29/01/2012 10:48:24 PM 1409 Views
Thank you. - 29/01/2012 11:10:13 PM 1439 Views
What the hell, might as well go and play devil's advocate, right? - 30/01/2012 04:50:30 PM 1346 Views
I expected that. - 30/01/2012 05:39:59 PM 1244 Views
Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 30/01/2012 10:28:10 PM 1232 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 12:39:46 AM 1132 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. - 31/01/2012 08:38:46 PM 1176 Views
I <3 you, but there are several very key things we are not going to agree on. - 31/01/2012 10:02:22 PM 1596 Views
Oh. - 31/01/2012 11:07:52 PM 1239 Views
- 01/02/2012 12:17:59 AM 1348 Views
Hmm? - 31/01/2012 10:10:22 PM 1166 Views
Yeah. I got to reading Encyclopedia of Arda just now, and it told me the same thing. - 31/01/2012 10:35:54 PM 1088 Views
As a sort of group answer (I've been mostly absent from forums the past two days) - 31/01/2012 10:45:55 PM 1430 Views
I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM 1270 Views
I'm rarely ever offended - 01/02/2012 01:54:58 AM 1456 Views
She was referring specifically to the Twitter "conversation" I had with the blogger. - 01/02/2012 09:05:28 AM 1239 Views
Yes. - 01/02/2012 10:47:22 AM 1369 Views
It makes me wonder what she thinks is happening in Zimbabwe, for example. - 01/02/2012 11:13:11 AM 1406 Views
I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:29:18 AM 1196 Views
Re: I've been thinking about that. - 01/02/2012 11:40:11 AM 1465 Views
We're nuts. - 01/02/2012 03:09:15 PM 1202 Views
I know that - 01/02/2012 11:15:48 AM 1259 Views
That blog post was mostly good, but the exception is a rather large one. - 01/02/2012 08:35:57 PM 1118 Views
Do you mean exception*S*? - 02/02/2012 04:27:03 AM 1191 Views
The Hobbit came out in 1937. - 30/01/2012 01:35:45 AM 1164 Views
She hates Tolkien's writings to begin with ... - 30/01/2012 06:34:29 AM 1306 Views
The tone of the article is massively annoying - 30/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1344 Views
I laughed while reading it - 30/01/2012 04:30:50 PM 1213 Views

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