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Re: I don't think you've read those books properly, to be honest. dacole Send a noteboard - 29/12/2011 02:32:52 AM
Fantasy stories from Tolkien onward were usually simple. There was a bad guy, there was a good guy, they fought and the good guy won. Anything the good guy did was always good and done to further his war with the bad guy. Never did he make a mistake, never did he do anything that was evil. Star Wars, Tolkein, and Star Trek are in this mold.

Frodo made plenty of mistakes in LotR. Of course, you could argue that most of those were under the influence of the Ring but it's by no means as clear cut as you make it out to be.

I don't think your definition of gritty is correct either. What you describe seems more like realism to me. Gritty takes it further by adding more violence and unpleasantness. It's not so much about shades of grey.

That said, "gritty" is a completely overused and thus meaningless phrase, in my opinion.


Hmm but always Frodo was the hero and nothing he did really was ever evil (at least by my definition of evil) it was always obvious that he was the good guy. Tell me who is the good guy in Bakker's work? I truly am not sure...Martin the same.

Maybe gritty is just realist fantasy...I like that term, but realistic fantasy is a new thing and the only ones I would describe that way are described as gritty.
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I don't think you've read those books properly, to be honest. - 26/12/2011 11:27:49 AM 617 Views
Re: I don't think you've read those books properly, to be honest. - 29/12/2011 02:32:52 AM 686 Views

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