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Re: You're sure about that? James Send a noteboard - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM

Considering how little kids read at all, expecting them to read classics is like expecting them to walk on water or turn water into wine.


Strange. Even though I had distractions such as television and video games, I was a voracious reader as a child. Neither of my parents or any of my relatives, really, were readers and did little to encourage me to do so. Am I a miracle child, then? There is little difference in distractions between now and then. The video games look better, the television shows are more inane, and the internet has gotten a lot faster. Expecting our youth to read books, even the classics, should not be a matter of attempting the impossible.

For most of them, just reading the Harry Potter series should be cause for celebration by their parents and teachers, because even in that bit of light reading they will come across words and ideas they otherwise wouldn't.


Or would have, with aid from their teachers and parents. Do schools no longer encourage children to read? I remember several programs throughout my years in elementary school that were meant to reward reading and more than a few occasions of having to choose a book from the library to write a report on. I assume these things still exist, but I could be wrong. (I also remember book fairs and mandatory time spent in the library each week.) That said, I won't argue against genre in favor of classics or classics in favor of genre. Both will enhance a reader's vocabulary (especially fantasy, which sometimes has a habit of relying on a thesaurus) and relay ideas.

Your condescension is the reason why kids beyond elementary school age aren't encouraged to read such books, and it does a lot more harm than good.


Holy shit, really? What the hell kind of schools are people running these days? When I was in middle school, I was not only encouraged to read genre, but also write genre. But you know, while they encouraged I continue reading what I enjoyed, they also made an effort to recommend the classics. They also expected me to read and attempt to understand the books, classic or not, that they assigned in class.

Have schools really changed so much that children are no longer encouraged to read? Are children above the elementary school level discouraged from partaking in genre by condescending teachers and librarians, the same people who took my love of reading, even if only genre, and saw it as something to nourish and develop? Maybe. I find it hard to believe, but you never know these days.
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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 2863 Views
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makes me wonder... - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1536 Views
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Well-deserved condescension. - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 1671 Views
You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 1893 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 1622 Views
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i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1537 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1549 Views
My school was...not great. - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1575 Views
I'm 24. - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1491 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1419 Views
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True - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 1591 Views
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*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 1577 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1403 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 763 Views
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As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1401 Views
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Same guy - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1525 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 750 Views
I have to agree. - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1520 Views
They're there for marketing - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1505 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 1638 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 745 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1455 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1387 Views
That's true. - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1375 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1460 Views
When they don't work, yes. - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1462 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1446 Views
Yes *NM* - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 864 Views

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