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Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 18/08/2011 01:58:17 AM
1.  People feel bad for Theon?  THEON?  Really?

Definitely! He was held as a prisoner and captive, without the freedom any person deserves, because of the crimes of his father? For his entire life? Then he fulfills his obligation to his family, which he places over his friend Robb (and most people would put family over friends), and is dismissed as nothing by his father. THEN, he's tortured and castrated, then force to live like a dog? He's not the purest of souls, but no one deserves the shit he's gone through.


He was hardly held as a prisoner; he was treated better than Jon by the family since Cat didn't hate him.  His family didn't ask him to take Winterfell.  He was seeking his own glory (and cruelly killed a lot of people who had been kind to him in the process).  Letting everyone think he killed Bran and Rickon is only marginally better than actually killing them (especially since he would have killed them if they hadn't escaped) to say nothing of the two innocent boys who died in their place.  I'm not saying what happens to him is nice, but he just had the misfortune to meet somebody even more cruel and power-hungry than himself, who happens to be batshit crazy as well.  If there is anything like karma in the world of ASoIAF, he's living it.

2.  Was Dany miscarrying at the end there with all the blood?  Or was this a more positive sign of some sort?  I really don't know yet how literally to take the maegi's words to her and after this book think it could be more prophecy than doom.

I think it was more like she was getting her moon blood back, which as I gather she has not had since the incident with Mirri Maz Duur. She is now able to conceive again, since the prophecy has been fulfilled.


Yes, this seems to be the other likely possibility.

3.  I assumed Brienne's reappearance meant she had agreed to ZombieCat's terms and was luring Jaime back to ZombieCat to face her wrath.  But I gather there are those who think Brienne did die and was brought back?  I am disappointed not to have gotten more of that storyline (though I did like the Jaime progression in this book, and liked how neatly he managed to do his duty to his family/king without breaking his oath to not take up arms against the Starks or Tullys).  I will be interested to see what happens with that.

I think it's most likely that she agreed to bring Jaime back to ZombieCat, but lied, breaking her oath and making her understand even further why Jaime slew the king he was sworn to protect. Brienne has found Jaime, informed him as to what's going on, and they're going back to free Podrick and maybe even destroy ZombieCat.


Why would she employ the Sansa ruse then?

4.  Do you think Stannis is dead?  I'm going with no, since it seems like when we find out about 'offscreen' deaths like that they tend not to have happened.  Does Ramsay actually have Mance?  It seems horrible to me that we'd have gone through the Mance-isn't-really-dead switcheroo only to have that happen, and it is possible that one or more of his girls was captured and Ramsay knows he was there that way.  I'm really leaning towards taking that letter to Jon as a bunch of angry rambling.

I don't think Stannis is dead, but I do think Mance is captured. We'll see what happens from there.


We will :D

5.  Speaking of Jon.  Gah.  GAH.  I can't decide if I want him to be really most sincerely dead or not.  Obviously prevailing opinion is that he's not.  And yet.  How much fun would that be?

He will either be healed or resurrected by Melisandre, and then it will begin to get fun. :)


I assume so, but that just seems so damn obvious!

6.  Are we ever going to find out what happened to Benjen?
Benjen is Coldhands...I think that's been the concensus for a while, and it's really the only thing that makes sense and works well.


That occurred to me, except wouldn't Bran recognize him?  I can buy that Sam wouldn't since I don't know if their time at the wall overlapped at all?
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Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2011 04:48:04 PM 1722 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Kotagg - 18/08/2011 12:46:33 AM 1225 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 01:58:17 AM 1065 Views
Bran didn't recognize him because his face is always covered Jim - 18/08/2011 04:28:55 AM 1099 Views
If his face is always covered, how can you say you know who he is? Roland00 - 18/08/2011 12:14:18 PM 1029 Views
I don't think anyone's saying they know who he is. Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 02:42:32 PM 1067 Views
The thing is we do not know how long you can be a wight Roland00 - 18/08/2011 03:08:33 PM 1114 Views
Given that Martin doesn't seem to introduce characters like that, someone we know is more likely Cannoli - 18/08/2011 09:36:50 PM 997 Views
And how developed was the Three Eyed Crow Roland00 - 19/08/2011 04:27:32 AM 1139 Views
But the point is, they were introduced at least, and not brought in from left field. Cannoli - 19/08/2011 11:36:41 AM 1077 Views
Well, it was sort of foreshadowed (in hindsight). Sareitha Sedai - 19/08/2011 01:29:48 PM 1096 Views
That's true. Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 02:10:19 PM 1006 Views
Also, telling your 10-year-old nephew that you're a monster now must be rough. Cannoli - 18/08/2011 09:39:49 PM 1174 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Roland00 - 18/08/2011 01:22:05 AM 1116 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 02:10:30 AM 1183 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Roland00 - 18/08/2011 12:09:13 PM 1064 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Jim - 18/08/2011 04:41:10 AM 1073 Views
You know, that's a really good point. Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 02:07:50 PM 1048 Views
Another reason Theon is sympathetic Roland00 - 18/08/2011 03:13:12 PM 1303 Views
could you elaborate? imlad - 19/08/2011 03:16:59 AM 1132 Views
Re: could you elaborate? Jim - 20/08/2011 01:37:43 AM 1194 Views
Ok, I see part of that imlad - 21/08/2011 01:10:47 AM 1232 Views
Do you mean Sareitha Sedai - 22/08/2011 06:36:44 PM 1172 Views
Assuming the Quentyn, Dothraki sea, and Meereen pyramid parts are true... A Deathwatch Guard - 25/08/2011 07:33:10 PM 1128 Views
That's the other problem I have Sareitha Sedai - 25/08/2011 08:12:01 PM 1521 Views
I would hope GRRM knows better than that A Deathwatch Guard - 26/08/2011 12:49:42 AM 1066 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Timthetrolloc - 18/08/2011 06:28:03 AM 1072 Views
LOL Sareitha Sedai - 18/08/2011 02:14:59 PM 1084 Views
Re: LOL Timthetrolloc - 19/08/2011 05:29:51 AM 1195 Views
Huge agree and disagree ironclad - 19/08/2011 02:06:24 PM 1188 Views
Re: Huge agree and disagree Timthetrolloc - 22/08/2011 05:58:13 AM 1040 Views
Remember she also had her faced chewed off Roland00 - 22/08/2011 02:25:21 PM 1098 Views
Re: Remember she also had her faced chewed off Timthetrolloc - 23/08/2011 05:14:04 AM 994 Views
I imagine Sareitha Sedai - 23/08/2011 02:16:12 PM 1094 Views
Re: I imagine Timthetrolloc - 24/08/2011 06:41:39 AM 1116 Views
Yes. Sareitha Sedai - 22/08/2011 06:39:43 PM 1009 Views
Re: Yes. Timthetrolloc - 23/08/2011 05:42:04 AM 1011 Views
Re: Yes. Sareitha Sedai - 23/08/2011 02:19:55 PM 1145 Views
Re: Yes. Timthetrolloc - 24/08/2011 07:09:11 AM 1259 Views
Re: Questions I have after finishing ADwD. Spoilers of course. Cannoli - 18/08/2011 09:33:57 PM 1229 Views
Ah. Sareitha Sedai - 22/08/2011 06:27:10 PM 1118 Views
Re: Ah. Cannoli - 25/08/2011 01:21:05 AM 1210 Views
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