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Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM
So I figure, since it's now officially July 12th and the first readers will start reading their copies today - of course, the ones lucky enough to have access to ARC's or to the calendrically-challenged Amazon.de are already finished - it's time for a big discussion thread. First impressions, final impressions, and everything inbetween: this is the place.

Regarding spoilers, please keep them out of post titles at least. I would advise people to use their best judgement otherwise, both in determining whether their post requires a spoiler warning in the subject line, and in determining whether to read a post that might contain spoilers.

And I don't think there's much else that I need to say, until I've finished the book and can join in the discussion. Enjoy!
Formerly Mat Bloody Cauthon on Wotmania, blessed be its name
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6253 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 1793 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 973 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2002 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 1981 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 1670 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1975 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 1871 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 1802 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 861 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 1832 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2109 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 1921 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 1798 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 1793 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 1815 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 1836 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1016 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1018 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 1993 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 1937 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 913 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 1782 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 1752 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 1696 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2037 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 960 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 1873 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2204 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 1799 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 1717 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 1753 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 1743 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1053 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1010 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2038 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 1956 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 1643 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 1764 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 1609 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 1756 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 1705 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 1949 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 1948 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 1776 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 1853 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 1695 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 1823 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 1869 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 1782 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 1751 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2136 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2064 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 1872 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 1719 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 1641 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 1875 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 1890 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 1691 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 1739 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 1779 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 952 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 1912 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 1878 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 1810 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 1857 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 1844 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 1726 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 1921 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 1705 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 1925 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 1777 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 1707 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 1733 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 1804 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 1865 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 1766 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 1901 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 1805 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 1777 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 1816 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 1801 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 1820 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 1942 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 1684 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 1692 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 938 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 1830 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 1775 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 1994 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2105 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 1884 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 929 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1616 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 1929 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 1744 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 1790 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 1701 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 1757 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 1729 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 1771 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 845 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 1840 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 927 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 1741 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 1828 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 1777 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 1839 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 1734 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 1886 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 1840 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 1911 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 1737 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1777 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 1720 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 937 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 1737 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1597 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 1714 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 1787 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 1639 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 1820 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 1699 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 1714 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 1705 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 1695 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 1778 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 1724 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 1712 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 1795 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 1664 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1575 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1617 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 1729 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 1768 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 1687 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 1685 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 1741 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 1675 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 1684 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1553 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1648 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 1736 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 1693 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 1768 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 968 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1559 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1017 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 1885 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 1853 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 1784 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 1721 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 1798 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 1694 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 1817 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1624 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 1802 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 1810 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 1800 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 1704 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 1813 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2022 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 1715 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 1755 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1660 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 1748 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 1716 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 1746 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1599 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 917 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1619 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2023 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 1831 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 1745 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 1742 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 1949 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 1859 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 1864 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 1657 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 1642 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2252 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2021 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 1719 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1575 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 1758 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 1724 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2002 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 1851 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 1831 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 1885 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 1808 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 1834 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 1752 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 1729 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 1732 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 1666 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 1706 Views
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