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Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved Send a noteboard - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM
I think there's two clear candidates:

1) Barristan Selmy.

His arc in ADWD seems to be a mirror of Eddard's in AGoT. He's put in a seething mass of conflicting factions and tries to keep his honour intact. However, Barristan has also spent years hanging out with Littlefinger and Varys. He isn't a chump. When he's offered swords to take Hizdahr into custody, that was his 'Renly moment'. Rather that refusing, he went for it and came out on top (and got a badass kill in the process). You can see why he's called 'The Bold'. Great decisions and good calls all round. So far.

2) Wyman Manderly.

Comedy fat guy turns psychotic Frey-eating cannibal. That's revenge for the Red Wedding and he's only just getting started. Force-feeding the Freys their own relatives in secret was amusing, but when you realised he was munching them down himself, that was both sick and badass.

I think my vote might be going for Manderly here. Can we get Brian Blessed to play him in the TV show please?


I've just finished Manderly's second meeting with Davos, so I'm not surprised at Red Wedding 2.0, although feeding Freys to the Freys is surprising. But something to look forward to. :)
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6353 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 1893 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1014 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2100 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 2079 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 1771 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2074 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 1967 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 1895 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 896 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 1921 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2220 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2029 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 1888 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 1883 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 1914 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 1922 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1067 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1059 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2090 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 2030 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 952 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 1871 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 1847 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 1792 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2123 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 1003 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 1966 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2288 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 1893 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 1826 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 1843 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 1831 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1090 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1038 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2128 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2046 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 1703 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 1854 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 1692 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 1850 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 1808 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 2046 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2035 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 1873 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 1952 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 1790 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 1914 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 1964 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 1877 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 1836 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2241 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2154 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 1974 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 1826 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 1740 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 1962 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 1979 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 1786 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 1840 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 1864 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 993 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 2010 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 1969 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 1894 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 1955 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 1938 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 1821 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2039 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 1803 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2019 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 1867 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 1826 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 1829 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 1917 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 1957 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 1850 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 2000 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 1899 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 1876 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 1909 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 1885 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 1916 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2035 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 1772 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 1790 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 978 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 1919 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 1889 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2086 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2208 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 1985 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 970 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1693 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 1998 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 1835 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 1882 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 1804 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 1851 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 1823 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 1872 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 887 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 1928 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 968 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 1828 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 1914 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 1867 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 1928 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 1821 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 1975 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 1903 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 2002 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 1832 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1873 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 1786 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 981 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 1828 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1694 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 1821 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 1848 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 1731 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 1903 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 1786 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 1803 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 1800 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 1776 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 1873 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 1814 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 1805 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 1883 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 1758 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1665 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1713 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 1827 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 1854 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 1783 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 1772 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 1823 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 1759 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 1778 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1645 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1709 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 1828 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 1787 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 1870 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1016 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1668 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1058 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 1971 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 1936 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 1881 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 1815 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 1900 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 1774 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 1922 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1702 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 1888 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 1902 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 1898 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 1791 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 1899 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2102 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 1805 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 1850 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1739 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 1844 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 1816 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 1834 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1689 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 960 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1715 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2114 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 1915 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 1838 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 1826 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2040 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 1939 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 1975 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 1754 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 1736 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2343 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2112 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 1837 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1654 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 1844 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 1823 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2084 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 1955 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 1919 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 1985 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 1898 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 1927 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 1844 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 1782 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 1837 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 1767 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 1811 Views
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