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Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved Send a noteboard - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM
I think there's two clear candidates:

1) Barristan Selmy.

His arc in ADWD seems to be a mirror of Eddard's in AGoT. He's put in a seething mass of conflicting factions and tries to keep his honour intact. However, Barristan has also spent years hanging out with Littlefinger and Varys. He isn't a chump. When he's offered swords to take Hizdahr into custody, that was his 'Renly moment'. Rather that refusing, he went for it and came out on top (and got a badass kill in the process). You can see why he's called 'The Bold'. Great decisions and good calls all round. So far.

2) Wyman Manderly.

Comedy fat guy turns psychotic Frey-eating cannibal. That's revenge for the Red Wedding and he's only just getting started. Force-feeding the Freys their own relatives in secret was amusing, but when you realised he was munching them down himself, that was both sick and badass.

I think my vote might be going for Manderly here. Can we get Brian Blessed to play him in the TV show please?


I've just finished Manderly's second meeting with Davos, so I'm not surprised at Red Wedding 2.0, although feeding Freys to the Freys is surprising. But something to look forward to. :)
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A Dance with Dragons discussion thread Legolas - 11/07/2011 10:48:23 PM 6341 Views
Okay, first impressions. Basically spoiler-free, I suppose. ironclad - 11/07/2011 11:40:31 PM 1882 Views
I have it! *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/07/2011 05:42:27 AM 1006 Views
A general question to get the discussion started: will two more books be enough? RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 02:22:52 PM 2093 Views
A very good question *major spoilers, then* ironclad - 12/07/2011 02:55:05 PM 2070 Views
Oh, come on. If anyone can do it, Martin can. Tom - 15/07/2011 03:48:27 AM 1762 Views
It'll be tight. Werthead - 12/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 2063 Views
What does "resurrection-as-PWWP Jon" mean? Got it - Prince Who Was Promised! Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 08:59:44 PM 1958 Views
No but I think 3 will be possible Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:15:02 AM 1887 Views
what is Purple Wedding? *NM* aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:37:04 AM 891 Views
Joffrey and Margaery wedding Roland00 - 27/07/2011 04:26:04 PM 1913 Views
Hero of the book? Werthead - 12/07/2011 10:12:02 PM 2209 Views
Lord Manderly gets my vote. RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 10:41:19 PM 2017 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:43:20 PM 1874 Views
Re: Hero of the book? ClubCaved - 12/07/2011 11:50:29 PM 1875 Views
Ohh, so that was what that was about. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:08:19 PM 1904 Views
That's what I thought too. Jessie - 25/07/2011 01:48:50 AM 1913 Views
Victorian Greyjoy = Hero of the book *NM* Urza - 21/07/2011 06:20:25 AM 1062 Views
Barristan should be renamed as Ser Grandfather, you do not mess with Ser Grandfather *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:32:09 AM 1055 Views
Asshole of the book? ironclad - 12/07/2011 10:46:10 PM 2077 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:18:07 PM 2018 Views
Seconded. He'd probably make my short list of Assholes of the Series to date. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2011 11:25:04 PM 945 Views
Yeah, little doubt there. Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:09:53 PM 1858 Views
Seriously... Urza - 18/07/2011 03:07:47 AM 1838 Views
Daenerys Targaryen & lifetime achievement award to Lord Rickard Stark Cannoli - 17/08/2011 12:38:40 AM 1778 Views
Idiot of the book. Werthead - 12/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 2115 Views
lol yep, definitely *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 08:12:42 AM 999 Views
Re: Idiot of the book. Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:42:20 AM 1956 Views
I think readers are being too hard on Quentyn, If anything I think Doran derserves more mocking. Libby - 17/07/2011 01:09:35 AM 2281 Views
Wait... no she doesn't! fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:29:52 AM 1885 Views
She thinks both Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:22:59 AM 1814 Views
So... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:18:24 PM 1831 Views
No, it's him. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:25:33 AM 1823 Views
Is there any hot sex scenes? I won't be able to read it for a while *NM* Dark Knight - 13/07/2011 02:35:49 PM 1085 Views
One or two, but not all that long ones *NM* ironclad - 13/07/2011 02:57:12 PM 1032 Views
Great Ending ClubCaved - 14/07/2011 01:21:53 AM 2120 Views
Really? ironclad - 14/07/2011 09:36:01 AM 2037 Views
Re: Really? Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:38:34 AM 1693 Views
Re: Great Ending samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:05:00 AM 1843 Views
YES! Larry - 14/07/2011 02:38:48 AM 1680 Views
Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Stephen - 16/07/2011 07:27:43 PM 1842 Views
Re: Sorry for the n00b reply, sentiments still apply Zaphod - 17/07/2011 12:45:52 AM 1799 Views
I don't know what to think... (spoiler) aragornital - 14/07/2011 08:59:39 AM 2036 Views
Probably not. Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:19:03 AM 2024 Views
Re: Probably not. aragornital - 14/07/2011 03:57:55 PM 1861 Views
I think the two are mixed up. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:23:06 PM 1942 Views
Re: I think the two are mixed up. samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:10:29 AM 1778 Views
What made least sense for me as far as that is concerned... ironclad - 14/07/2011 11:51:20 AM 1906 Views
They didn't. Werthead - 14/07/2011 11:24:53 PM 1956 Views
I see ironclad - 15/07/2011 08:28:09 AM 1868 Views
Didn't Jon just announced Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:51:07 AM 1829 Views
Something I totally missed first time through Werthead - 14/07/2011 09:40:33 AM 2232 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Cannoli - 16/07/2011 01:24:23 AM 2146 Views
Yep, that's what he said/thought A Deathwatch Guard - 17/07/2011 05:02:32 AM 1964 Views
Re: Something I totally missed first time through Jessie - 23/07/2011 04:14:38 PM 1817 Views
Well that brings new meaning Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:18 AM 1732 Views
I'm still not fully done, but about the Reek chapters... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 04:05:29 PM 1952 Views
Agreed ironclad - 14/07/2011 06:18:15 PM 1969 Views
There's another... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2011 07:16:11 PM 1772 Views
There's that... Legolas - 17/07/2011 01:12:33 AM 1833 Views
It's worse than that... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2011 01:26:50 AM 1854 Views
Torture is wrong, and those chapters kinda proved it. *NM* Roland00 - 26/07/2011 02:53:55 AM 989 Views
GRRM completely shit the bed on Jon's arc within this book. That's the truth. Libby - 16/07/2011 12:51:08 AM 1999 Views
Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Variant - 16/07/2011 08:11:30 AM 1960 Views
Re: Having finished the book, my thoughts. (Spoilers) Zaphod - 17/07/2011 01:02:10 AM 1889 Views
Personally, I felt 'A Feast for Crows' was not only better written but more condensed. Libby - 17/07/2011 11:15:58 AM 1947 Views
Summed up like that there is no way to disagree with what you said ironclad - 17/07/2011 11:33:01 AM 1928 Views
You put words to my thoughts exactly. Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:17:09 PM 1810 Views
It should be re-titled A Jump with Sharks Tom - 17/07/2011 06:00:37 PM 2020 Views
Publishers are more interested in the bottom line. Werthead - 18/07/2011 12:31:56 AM 1795 Views
Sadly, I am likely overestimating the intelligence of the readers. Tom - 18/07/2011 03:05:12 AM 2010 Views
I felt bummed by Sanderson's new series. everynametaken - 18/07/2011 05:25:09 AM 1858 Views
I bought that book but have yet to read it. Tom - 18/07/2011 01:09:15 PM 1815 Views
Re: I bought that book but have yet to read it. Zach - 20/07/2011 06:45:46 AM 1819 Views
You might like this quote from House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. heartbreak - 11/08/2011 03:42:05 PM 1907 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion... Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:35:47 PM 1948 Views
And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? Legolas - 17/07/2011 07:39:15 PM 1842 Views
Re: And on a different note entirely: is it me, or did the book need more proofreading? samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:17:41 AM 1991 Views
Yeah, I agree. Stephen - 18/07/2011 05:59:58 PM 1891 Views
The book really shows it is AFFC part 2 Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:00:07 AM 1867 Views
No doubt, much like readers would've been more forgiving of aFfC if it'd been two years after SoS. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:28:43 PM 1901 Views
Am I The Only One In Love With Arya's Chapters? *spoilers maybe* samgreenaway - 18/07/2011 02:22:00 AM 1875 Views
I enjoyed them, very solid chapters. Libby - 18/07/2011 12:50:43 PM 1907 Views
Unlike others, I won't start a separate thread to express my thoughts Larry - 19/07/2011 11:21:17 AM 2023 Views
Yeah, I wished there was a way to move them in here! ironclad - 19/07/2011 01:42:51 PM 1762 Views
Me too... but going and complaining about them seems so lame, too. Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:34:47 PM 1777 Views
I agree with Jens, good balanced review. *NM* Legolas - 19/07/2011 07:50:13 PM 972 Views
I think you let him off too easily. Tom - 20/07/2011 04:19:07 AM 1910 Views
It might be that I expected even more of a longeur than what happened Larry - 20/07/2011 05:24:50 PM 1879 Views
Your review is a little too generous (in my opinion) Libby - 20/07/2011 06:57:45 AM 2076 Views
I find myself both depressed and let down... Zach - 20/07/2011 06:37:16 AM 2197 Views
Am I the only one who really likes... ironclad - 20/07/2011 06:04:00 PM 1973 Views
yeh, he is nice... *NM* aragornital - 20/07/2011 06:20:13 PM 966 Views
Davos is probably my favourite Stephen - 20/07/2011 09:51:03 PM 1682 Views
I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Variant - 21/07/2011 01:15:33 AM 1991 Views
Re: I have to disagree in regards to Penny, she's a plot device and an annoying one at that. Timthetrolloc - 21/07/2011 09:33:00 AM 1827 Views
The six bodies fired by the trebuchet Stephen - 20/07/2011 10:36:16 PM 1873 Views
Yes, I was confused by that too. Legolas - 20/07/2011 10:53:35 PM 1795 Views
Probably pale mare victims. Seige warfare via plague Urza - 20/07/2011 11:23:10 PM 1844 Views
Yes, I considered that as well... Legolas - 20/07/2011 11:48:32 PM 1815 Views
Have Quentyn's two mates already been sent off a this point? ironclad - 21/07/2011 02:03:15 PM 1867 Views
That could be it. *NM* Stephen - 21/07/2011 01:43:16 PM 882 Views
It's not six bodies, it's six trebuchets throwing corpses instead of stones DomA - 27/07/2011 01:03:51 AM 1920 Views
That's how I read it as well. Six trebuchets opening up. *NM* Michael - 11/08/2011 12:19:09 PM 964 Views
Stannis ironclad - 21/07/2011 08:43:40 AM 1821 Views
It's entirely possible Stannis was killed Tom - 21/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 1907 Views
I highly doubt he's dead A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2011 07:29:59 PM 1857 Views
The bluff makes the most sense: if the Boltons beat Stannis, why does he ask for Theon & Jeyne? Cannoli - 22/07/2011 12:01:30 AM 1917 Views
Yeah... Urza - 22/07/2011 12:27:53 AM 1810 Views
The letter sounded like the ravings of a psychopath loosing control DomA - 27/07/2011 02:56:21 AM 1965 Views
The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Libby - 21/07/2011 10:43:43 PM 1893 Views
Re: The Aegon Twist. Something about this doesn't add up. Werthead - 22/07/2011 05:42:13 PM 1995 Views
Alternatively.. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:13:46 PM 1820 Views
Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? Tom - 22/07/2011 04:32:39 PM 1863 Views
None of them. Werthead - 22/07/2011 06:25:19 PM 1780 Views
Is that personal opinion or based on something Martin said? *NM* Tom - 22/07/2011 06:37:57 PM 975 Views
Opinion Werthead - 22/07/2011 07:43:16 PM 1820 Views
Regardless of whether or not they actually get involved, their existence (or not) is signficant. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:17:48 AM 1687 Views
I think there are some god's, just given different names. Same with the magic. fionwe1987 - 22/07/2011 09:24:51 PM 1812 Views
Lose the apostrophe in the subject line. Then: on what basis do you assume this? Tom - 23/07/2011 02:28:49 AM 1840 Views
You might want to stop wasting time correcting others typos. As for the gods... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 04:53:59 AM 1723 Views
You might want to stop making them. Particularly glaring ones like that. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:01:03 AM 1896 Views
A typo can't be "glaring"... fionwe1987 - 23/07/2011 08:08:51 AM 1778 Views
Sure it can. Glaring: conspicuous or obvious. Tom - 23/07/2011 03:52:57 PM 1793 Views
Morality stems from god? A Deathwatch Guard - 22/07/2011 10:47:59 PM 1792 Views
Of course it does Tom - 23/07/2011 02:26:50 AM 1770 Views
On second thought, let's address the issue directly. Tom - 23/07/2011 05:14:59 AM 1862 Views
Perhaps... A Deathwatch Guard - 24/07/2011 07:03:24 PM 1803 Views
Its simple... Urza - 24/07/2011 07:37:11 PM 1794 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:10:04 AM 1876 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:44:41 AM 1749 Views
Re: Bullshit. fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:27:09 AM 1657 Views
The Seven probably has more power and influence than any other religion though. Werthead - 25/07/2011 07:51:59 PM 1700 Views
In Westeros, but I always got the feeling the Free Cities and other places didn't much care for them A Deathwatch Guard - 26/07/2011 10:53:45 PM 1818 Views
Westeros is the biggest coherent civilisation in the ASoIaF world. Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:56:21 AM 1845 Views
Some thoughts... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 04:54:05 AM 1775 Views
It's not an objective morality. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:41:33 AM 1766 Views
Its not that simple... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 06:21:39 AM 1816 Views
I don't disagree with most of what you said. I just reach a different conclusion. Tom - 25/07/2011 01:57:31 PM 1751 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 25/07/2011 05:02:45 PM 1765 Views
How then do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Tim - 16/08/2011 01:43:18 PM 1635 Views
Re: Which gods do you think are "real" in Martin's world? aragornital - 25/07/2011 02:24:07 PM 1699 Views
Whats the best new POV Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:14:05 AM 1822 Views
Barristan Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:23:20 PM 1777 Views
Didn't Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy also only have 2 POVs Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:56:57 PM 1860 Views
Agreed. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:33:11 PM 1010 Views
thirded. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:16:26 PM 1655 Views
Absolutely *NM* ironclad - 29/07/2011 02:31:54 AM 1055 Views
Things you missed till they were pointed out via others or via a reread Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:23:53 AM 1961 Views
A bit. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:32:32 PM 1926 Views
Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:46:54 PM 1874 Views
Re: Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:43:43 AM 1806 Views
Martin doesn't have to do anything Roland00 - 27/07/2011 01:33:36 AM 1894 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything DomA - 27/07/2011 04:38:19 AM 1767 Views
The crone who prophesied the stallion who mounts the world saw the stallions face Roland00 - 27/07/2011 05:13:28 AM 1914 Views
Re: Martin doesn't have to do anything aragornital - 27/07/2011 08:58:55 AM 1696 Views
Re: DomA - 27/07/2011 04:27:18 AM 1880 Views
I like your theory. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:35:22 PM 1893 Views
Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:32:18 PM 1891 Views
Re: Interesting... hadn't noticed some of those either. Roland00 - 27/07/2011 02:00:42 AM 1784 Views
Eh? Elaine - 29/07/2011 04:44:17 PM 1891 Views
This is complicated. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:43:15 PM 2096 Views
Wait...a woman crowned for beauty was the victorious mystery knight? Tom - 01/08/2011 03:00:49 AM 1799 Views
It is believed the Knight of the Laughing Tree is one of two people Roland00 - 01/08/2011 04:47:21 AM 1841 Views
Yup. Werthead - 02/08/2011 12:03:26 AM 1732 Views
Also... fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:17:43 AM 1830 Views
And yet, my huge brain figures it out Elaine - 04/08/2011 04:20:06 PM 1808 Views
I've read this scene yesterday and I missed this... aragornital - 02/08/2011 07:55:35 AM 1823 Views
Allow me Elaine - 05/08/2011 02:14:15 PM 1679 Views
thanks *NM* aragornital - 07/08/2011 07:28:21 AM 957 Views
I thought this was pretty clear HousealThor - 07/08/2011 05:18:54 PM 1708 Views
Hizdahr a Harpy? Innocent or Not? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 03:36:56 AM 2107 Views
Interesting idea. Werthead - 26/07/2011 12:25:11 PM 1904 Views
Re: Interesting idea. Jessie - 27/07/2011 04:25:02 PM 1831 Views
What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Roland00 - 26/07/2011 04:13:27 PM 1818 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? Werthead - 27/07/2011 12:49:52 AM 2032 Views
Re: What is happening with the Maesters subplot? Any new leads? DomA - 27/07/2011 03:49:18 AM 1933 Views
Re: A Dance with Dragons discussion thread jwk - 29/07/2011 01:42:57 AM 1950 Views
Okay. I suck. jwk - 29/07/2011 01:50:56 AM 1747 Views
Let me rephrase that... jwk - 29/07/2011 01:54:07 AM 1726 Views
Jon Snow is definitely Azor Ahai. Kotagg - 29/07/2011 07:31:17 PM 2335 Views
Hmm ironclad - 31/07/2011 01:52:03 PM 2103 Views
you are correct Jim - 31/07/2011 11:08:39 PM 1829 Views
Yup. Werthead - 31/07/2011 10:49:34 PM 1647 Views
But Shireen is a dragon... fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 12:22:16 AM 1838 Views
I'm uncertain about that Larry - 01/08/2011 05:35:18 AM 1818 Views
True, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Werthead - 01/08/2011 11:42:29 PM 2078 Views
Where did he say that? fionwe1987 - 02/08/2011 07:18:39 AM 1943 Views
In interviews Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:21:28 PM 1909 Views
A little thought about Jon... aragornital - 02/08/2011 08:02:34 AM 1974 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 02/08/2011 02:22:22 PM 1892 Views
Am I the only one who thinks... The Doctor - 09/08/2011 05:16:46 PM 1917 Views
I think Martin's gonna stick to Bran being the only one who does that ironclad - 10/08/2011 09:25:12 AM 1837 Views
It's possible, the problem is Jon's warging skill isn't all that well developed. Libby - 10/08/2011 10:53:32 PM 1774 Views
Anyone have any thoughts as to the purpose of Arya's storyline? Chas - 14/08/2011 06:28:09 PM 1827 Views
She's being trained as an assassin, so the question is who is she going to kill? Werthead - 16/08/2011 01:43:12 AM 1756 Views
Jon? Sir Tybalt - 18/08/2011 09:59:03 PM 1797 Views
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