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PS the Takeshi Kovacs books are great, and you should all go read them *NM* beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 23/04/2011 08:09:54 PM
I forget where I read it, but I was reading an essay that was talking about how Gibson-esque cyberpunk was very much "Future dystopia, omnipresent technology will gradually erode humanity's bodies and soul, corporations will dominate everything."


But then you have something like Snow Crash which, while it's still a little "off," was remarkably prescient about some things. The 'Net has not destroyed us. Constant access to information hasn't turned us into drones. Technology can be kind of cool! And so on.

Snow Crash is still cyberpunk, but it's cyberpunk after we've all bought iPods and Droids, looked around, and gone "Huh. World didn't end." It's a bit more optimistic.


Older cyberpunk feels dated because it warns us about the possible horrors of future tech. Now we HAVE some of that future tech, and while it's not all daisies, it's just a different worldview than the ones that read Neuromancer all those years ago.



That said, I don't think cyberpunk is dead, by a long shot-. Its themes and ideas are definitely still relevant- Corporations are still getting bigger and more powerful, the integration of our lives with the Internet is nowhere near finished, and as cool as Snow Crash was, I would prefer NOT having the US subdivided into suburban franchise nations.


I think all the different 'punks I listed in my above TVTropes post might just be a reaction to that datedness. "Punk" is an attitude: "The heroes of these stories were marginalized, seedy, and rebellious, in other words "punks."" I wouldn't be surprised if authors who grew up loving cyberpunk were simply interested to try the 'punk aesthetic in new settings.



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The Sprawl Trilogy and Thoughts Thereof (or What Ever Happened to Cyberpunk?) - 19/04/2011 10:50:26 PM 2444 Views
Why I prefer cyberpunk in near future settings to (most) of the steampunk sub-genre. - 19/04/2011 10:55:57 PM 1320 Views
The difference is that steampunk, by and large, is very aware of its implausibility. - 20/04/2011 01:32:57 AM 884 Views
IMO, cyberpunk has become somewhat dated. - 20/04/2011 04:46:55 AM 1117 Views
Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 20/04/2011 07:01:50 AM 974 Views
Re: Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 22/04/2011 04:12:20 AM 1042 Views
No, I took your point. - 22/04/2011 03:43:18 PM 1136 Views
so...is bladerunner cyberpunk - 20/04/2011 09:48:15 PM 824 Views
It's usually seen as the archetypal cyberpunk film, yeah. - 21/04/2011 10:50:44 AM 1160 Views
so cyber is the time and punk is the attitude? - 21/04/2011 12:57:01 PM 946 Views
I don't think the portmanteau is that precisely defined. - 21/04/2011 08:31:34 PM 1070 Views
I am amazed that no one has referenced this TVTropes page yet... - 23/04/2011 07:45:14 PM 1311 Views
Playing with fire; I should've known TVTropes would exhaustively cover the derivatives. - 24/04/2011 03:11:56 AM 1254 Views
It's always hard to pigeonhole things, especially as they become more specific - 24/04/2011 06:27:28 PM 913 Views
Precisely. - 26/04/2011 03:04:54 AM 1203 Views
The "dated" idea is interesting. - 23/04/2011 08:08:26 PM 998 Views
PS the Takeshi Kovacs books are great, and you should all go read them *NM* - 23/04/2011 08:09:54 PM 429 Views
I'll add it to the list then, thanks. *MN* - 24/04/2011 03:19:09 AM 859 Views

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