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Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/04/2011 07:01:50 AM
Not that cyberpunk is completely outdated because it is archaic. It is because it's TOO possible. Creating absurdly futuristic technology off absurdly futuristic ideas just isn't as fun as creating absurdly futuristic tech out of outdated technology.

It's more fun to create than to speculate, is what (I think) I'm getting at. Honestly, I'm bad at building to a conclusion, I write and then try to summarize (it irritates my Lit professor to no end, which then irritates my grade and me).

But yea, steampunk is impossible, and more fun.

Or something like that.

I mean, Queen Victoria died in 1901, and King Edward VII in 1910, so anything from their lifetimes is already "dated" to more than a century ago. However, I would suggest that from a creative standpoint mainstream cyberpunk is at least as rich as its steampunk subtype (it really can't be less, by definition). As long as our neuroscience trails our cybernetics there will be a wide frontier; we don't even have an AI yet, nor is one expected soon, so human-computer integration doesn't seem "TOO possible" to me.

I appreciate speculations appeal, have felt it in mainstream fantasy, alternate histories (including some steampunk) and time travelers carrying knowledge of blackpowder, railroads etc. to earlier centuries (again, as in Connecticut Yankee). My problem with steampunk, in the cases where I have one (which is far from all of them) is that when it requires invalidating scientific law and grafting a postmodern zeitgeist onto an age that preceded it by half a century or more it wrecks the verisimilitude for me. It's like saying, "what if JFK had been a Martian?" Well, great except we know he wasn't because a) we have his corpse and b) there are no Martians and never were. I don't require my fiction be possible, but I do require it be plausible; where steampunk accomplishes that I can enjoy it as much as anything else.
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The Sprawl Trilogy and Thoughts Thereof (or What Ever Happened to Cyberpunk?) - 19/04/2011 10:50:26 PM 2445 Views
Why I prefer cyberpunk in near future settings to (most) of the steampunk sub-genre. - 19/04/2011 10:55:57 PM 1320 Views
The difference is that steampunk, by and large, is very aware of its implausibility. - 20/04/2011 01:32:57 AM 885 Views
IMO, cyberpunk has become somewhat dated. - 20/04/2011 04:46:55 AM 1117 Views
Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 20/04/2011 07:01:50 AM 975 Views
Re: Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 22/04/2011 04:12:20 AM 1042 Views
No, I took your point. - 22/04/2011 03:43:18 PM 1136 Views
so...is bladerunner cyberpunk - 20/04/2011 09:48:15 PM 825 Views
It's usually seen as the archetypal cyberpunk film, yeah. - 21/04/2011 10:50:44 AM 1161 Views
so cyber is the time and punk is the attitude? - 21/04/2011 12:57:01 PM 947 Views
I don't think the portmanteau is that precisely defined. - 21/04/2011 08:31:34 PM 1070 Views
I am amazed that no one has referenced this TVTropes page yet... - 23/04/2011 07:45:14 PM 1311 Views
Playing with fire; I should've known TVTropes would exhaustively cover the derivatives. - 24/04/2011 03:11:56 AM 1255 Views
It's always hard to pigeonhole things, especially as they become more specific - 24/04/2011 06:27:28 PM 914 Views
Precisely. - 26/04/2011 03:04:54 AM 1204 Views
The "dated" idea is interesting. - 23/04/2011 08:08:26 PM 999 Views
PS the Takeshi Kovacs books are great, and you should all go read them *NM* - 23/04/2011 08:09:54 PM 429 Views
I'll add it to the list then, thanks. *MN* - 24/04/2011 03:19:09 AM 859 Views

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