And not give a crap about the trolling of internet fans. He has a huge fanbase that is bound to grow with the TV series. He can afford to ignore the loons who either pester him for information or are pissed at him because he's informative. To hell with them, because most of them will be reading the books when they come out anyway.
This is actually GRRM's attitude in the first place. To be honest, I'd probably not even get involved in the debate (and my plan at the moment is to not do so once the same discussions inevitably begin over Book 6, which will be about 2 weeks before ADWD even comes out) if other people close to George were not getting quite annoyed about the false information being spread out there.
However, I do take exception to your statement that is aDwD were to be done quickly, it would have to suck.
This is another point I would be interested to see people discuss more: is the key problem that the author is too much of a perfectionist and cannot let go of the material? ASoS, by most accounts the best book in the series, was written in a little more than two years. So WTF is up with AFFC and ADWD?
And I think the answer to that is to do with the whole structure of the series and the decision to radically change the structure mid-flow and the subsequent new decision (made after the promise ADWD would be out in a year) to re-structure the series again so it would be a bit faster and wouldn't sprawl.
But again, we don't see a huge amount of discussion about that either.
He threw that away (maybe justifiably) and did what Jordan ended up doing. He altered to pace of his story so he could align the story arcs of his characters. While it has not (and hopefully will not) reach the slowness of pace Jordan used, he is working to prevent that by coming up with something that is pacy and allows him to align his characters.
Agreed.
For Jordan, the slower pace allowed him to have a story that was still coherent and flowed well, but the deadening of pace angered many fans. With Martin, delay caused by fear of doing what Jordan did has angered many fans.
Interesting. In effect, Jordan and Martin have faced the same problem and Jordan's answer was to write his way out of it (so new material was still coming out) whilst Martin's is to edit and rewrite his way out of it, which means no new material is actually released in the meantime. As you say, the question is which approach is better.
If ASoIaF is eventually completed and the rewriting approach pays off and the final three books are as well-received as the first three, then that decision will be validated, as ASoIaF will be left as a 7-book series with a slightly below-par book right in the middle. The problem WoT faces is that even if books 12-14 are mindblowingly brilliant, the series is still going to have the rep of there being at least 3 (or more, depending on viewpoint) books which are quite weak, damaging its overall perception. GRRM's approach, whilst frustrating to readers right now, is probably the better one in the long run.
Unless of course the later books take ages to come out and then they suck, in which case he's in real trouble
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- Edit 1 by Werthead on 19/09/2009 at 10:13:20 PM
Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons....
18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM
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It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two.
18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM
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Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM*
18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM
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Titles
18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM
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Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam"
18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM
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Nope, still doesn't work.
18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
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I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else
18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM
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Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM*
18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM
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I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks
18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM
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Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM
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In your opinion, of course. *NM*
20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM
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Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions.
20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM
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I see the reason in that.
20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM
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I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already
20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM
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I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off.
18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM
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Sometimes ...
18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM
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Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder.
18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM
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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety.
18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM
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Was this well out of line, by any chance?
18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM
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damn you are rude *NM*
18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM
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Gosh. This is pretty tiring.
18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM
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So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly?
19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM
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Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM
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No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults.
20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM
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Oh please. Grow some thicker skin.
20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM
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You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been.
20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM
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"It" would have been. "It" was.
20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM*
19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM
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I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM*
19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM
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Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM*
19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM
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That's the most valid point of the argument.
18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM
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Agreed.
19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM
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Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'.
19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM
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But a promise was never made.
19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM
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I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM
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Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin
19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM
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This is where the great divide comes into play
19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
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I think he should take a page out of RJ's book
19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Excellent point.
19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM
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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM
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Exceptions prove the rule...
19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM
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