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Re: Are you seriously that naive? DomA Send a noteboard - 25/03/2011 10:59:27 PM
Look, I'm not about to call RJ a liar. But I'm also not about to admit that he was completely honest about this process. I mean, this is the man who conceived of Aes Sedai...He said he felt ill on Memorial Day which led him to get a check up, which led to the diagnosis. Now maybe RJ was especially careful about his health and went in whenever he felt the slightest thing wrong. Personally, I saw him as someone who wouldn't take much thought to a little discomfort and keep writing.


You'd probably be wrong on this. RJ's "heart disease" didn't have the more usual kind of progression most heart problems had. His heart was just fine until his amyloidosis started to deposit proteins in his heart, eventually causing sudden cardiac and other symptoms. It was fairly alarming symptoms at that (RJ got momentarily blind on the Memorial Day, it's how it started) and he got himself checked. It took many months before he got a final diagnosis, toward the end of the year, after the KOD tour.


And yeah, RJ had the reputation for being a fairly active outdoor man to compensate for the fact he sat all day when he wrote, for Harriet having convinced him years before to adopt good eating habits, and for having full checks-ups regularly. He had his last one, and got his clean bill of health, a few months before the Memorial day incident (we know, because he blogged about it - there had been rumours he was sick around the time, but it was just that: false rumours). If there was ever one thing RJ was very candid about, it's his health.

RJ's writing pace remained fairly constant. As Adam explained, it's publishing that caught up to him. TDR was the last book he had very advanced before the previous one was released (TGH was completed before EOTW even came out) and by the time of LOC Tor has so squeezed the publishing/longer and longer touring/writing/editing schedule that RJ stopped being able to even outline/plan the next book while Harriet edited the current one, and RJ then have to devote a few "gestative months" to do that before beginning the novel itself (which he did for KOD while writing NS. He got much grief for spending time on that short novel, but he always denied it had any effect as he needed that time to let his ideas for KOD brew a bit before writing it anyway. Those times when a writer don't write and must let his ideas brew as they come is always underestimated... GRRM probably had tons of those while writing ADWD, forced to stop for weeks while his ideas to solve this and that matured...).

After COT (a book that a few months of editing and fine tuning could really have helped) RJ put his foot down and insisted that Tor let him have his full six months cycle of creative editing after he finished writing, which they had cut after LOC to publish his books almost as soon as RJ and Harriet had put them together (Harriet and RJ used to edit the book after the writing was done, but after the mid-series Harriet started editing while RJ still wrote. The effect this had on the series's quality could well be underestimated, ie: that's when structural and pacing problems started appearing, when RJ and Harriet worked on the individual parts, but no longer had those months to step back and look and rework the whole afterward.
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A Dance With Dragons - 22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM 2549 Views
See, I disagree. - 23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM 1668 Views
Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing - 23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM 1554 Views
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The way I see it ... - 23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM 1554 Views
If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. - 23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM 1436 Views
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Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? - 24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM 1313 Views
do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching? - 24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM 1342 Views
Well, you're spending time on it right now. *NM* - 25/03/2011 03:35:10 AM 709 Views
Some is not necessarily a lot. Open a logic textbook. *NM* - 25/03/2011 12:18:38 PM 751 Views
Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? - 24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM 1429 Views
Personally, I completely forgot about the series... - 25/03/2011 03:46:58 AM 1351 Views
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The reason some authors say such things is.. - 28/03/2011 09:33:01 AM 1406 Views
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accidental double click >< *NM* - 24/03/2011 10:02:39 AM 751 Views
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apparently you cant read... - 25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM 1464 Views
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Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks. - 25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM 1395 Views
And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks. - 25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM 1426 Views
He still went to work, bucko. - 25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM 1268 Views
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You, uh, just started arguing my position. - 26/03/2011 10:55:19 AM 1240 Views
Are you seriously that naive? - 25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM 1549 Views
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i agree, however... - 24/03/2011 10:12:52 AM 1373 Views
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I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM* - 24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM 784 Views
^^^ This ^^^ *NM* - 26/03/2011 11:32:40 AM 778 Views
He's lazy and selfish and has every right to be *NM* - 24/03/2011 02:18:14 AM 757 Views
Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet. - 24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM 1225 Views
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But Sanderson's book was a mess. *NM* - 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM 691 Views
Was it really? Which one was this? *NM* - 25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM 768 Views
ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though. - 25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM 1154 Views
Interesting. - 27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM 1389 Views
I enjoyed them too! They were just a mess structurally. - 29/03/2011 01:54:57 AM 1365 Views
In some places, yeah. - 29/03/2011 04:17:38 AM 1843 Views
I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM* - 25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM 809 Views
I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books. - 25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM 1428 Views
I enjoyed it immensely as well, but im still torn - 25/03/2011 03:07:59 PM 1368 Views
I'm torn too. - 27/03/2011 11:34:35 PM 1537 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM 1473 Views
This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous. - 25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM 1448 Views
These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another - 25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM 1325 Views
EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE! - 25/03/2011 08:28:10 PM 1292 Views
I love threads like these. *NM* - 26/03/2011 10:53:38 AM 578 Views
Are you familiar with Minecraft? - 25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM 1340 Views
Whoops. - 26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM 1297 Views
What is this I don't even. - 27/03/2011 08:03:59 AM 1176 Views
Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you - 25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM 1340 Views
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If you redo it ... - 25/03/2011 04:57:29 PM 1348 Views
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That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. - 26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM 1276 Views
I used a smiley and everything! - 26/03/2011 04:52:48 PM 1482 Views
That's a great line. - 26/03/2011 07:01:42 PM 1259 Views
Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. - 26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM 1458 Views
When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry. - 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM 1297 Views
I see that I need to work on my reputation. - 28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM 1374 Views
Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves. - 28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM 1338 Views
YEAH YOU'RE A TERRIBLE ADMIN - 29/03/2011 01:58:41 AM 1290 Views
A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch. - 26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM 1377 Views
How very true. *NM* - 26/03/2011 10:19:59 PM 700 Views

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