Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you
MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM
And trying to be as annoying as possible.
He's had problems with it and has scrapped a lot of what he has written, and so it has taken 11 years to get what was originally meant to be one book. yes, that is irritating, especially if you had been reading it from the beginning.
You've said you are an aspiring writer, therefore you must know that things don't turn out as you like and you put them away and ignore them for a while before coming back to review them. And while you put the project to one side you do other things in the mean time. If worst comes to worst you scrap the project entirely.
This appears to be the situation Martin is in. it all got convoluted and he had to stop and start it again. In the mean time, he's done other things, worked on the Wildcard series and a few other anthologies, and some short stories. I think he's perfectly entitled to do this but you, it seems, take this as a betrayal and a personal insult. But finally the book is just about ready.
At the end of the day aDwD will not change the world. It'll hopefully be good but there are so many amazing books that have been written that you'll probably never read, so it's a bit silly to get so worked up over a single book.
He's had problems with it and has scrapped a lot of what he has written, and so it has taken 11 years to get what was originally meant to be one book. yes, that is irritating, especially if you had been reading it from the beginning.
You've said you are an aspiring writer, therefore you must know that things don't turn out as you like and you put them away and ignore them for a while before coming back to review them. And while you put the project to one side you do other things in the mean time. If worst comes to worst you scrap the project entirely.
This appears to be the situation Martin is in. it all got convoluted and he had to stop and start it again. In the mean time, he's done other things, worked on the Wildcard series and a few other anthologies, and some short stories. I think he's perfectly entitled to do this but you, it seems, take this as a betrayal and a personal insult. But finally the book is just about ready.
At the end of the day aDwD will not change the world. It'll hopefully be good but there are so many amazing books that have been written that you'll probably never read, so it's a bit silly to get so worked up over a single book.
Given the length of this thread, I think it appears that I'm a little more worked up than I am. When someone tells me that I am wrong, when I believe that I'm write, and I happen to have the time to prove that I'm not, I make it a point to discuss our disagreement.
I think Martin is both lazy and arrogant, because he's taken 6 years to work on this most recent book. I worked out the mathematics of this in an earlier post if you want to check. He would have to have been working at an excruciatingly slow pace in order to put out one 450k word book, even assuming he had to restart it once.
Yes I am an aspiring writer, which doesn't give me any writes to presume that I know more about the process than Martin. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize after a little thought that problems and convolutions taken into account, Martin has taken an absurdly long time on this book.
I've thought about enough to realize that there doesn't seem to be any other decent explanation as to why it's taken so long other than he's lazy or ignoring the book.
I don't think it's a professional or decent thing to take this long in between books. It's no moral failing, just a slight character flaw that might prevent me from getting the book. I certainly won't get the hardcover edition.
And I don't think there's anything at all wrong with voice distaste for this. I'm not about to storm Martin's home and demand he repent for taking so long on the book. But I think it's a fair claim that he's been lazy and/or negligent here.
Nothing wrong with stating a fact.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
A Dance With Dragons
22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM
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See, I disagree.
23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM
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Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing
23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM
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23/03/2011 01:17:57 AM
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Yeah but, come on, 6 years? And 5 years for the book before that? *NM*
23/03/2011 05:05:01 AM
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The way I see it ...
23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM
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what this guy said. so true. not enough time in the day for all the cool stuff. i can wait
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23/03/2011 04:39:35 AM
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If people are upset with him, don't buy the book.
23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM
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Re: If people are upset with him, don't buy the book.
23/03/2011 01:22:09 PM
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Do you guys literally have nothing else to read?
24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM
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do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching?
24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM
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Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read?
24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM
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*complain*
23/03/2011 10:19:33 PM
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*sigh*
24/03/2011 10:11:29 AM
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Re: *sigh*
24/03/2011 01:56:51 PM
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Well
24/03/2011 02:44:00 PM
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Re: Well
25/03/2011 12:17:08 AM
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apparently you cant read...
25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM
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Seriously? You don't know how Jordan's illness manifested itself?
25/03/2011 02:19:23 AM
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I'm glad you mentioned LotR
25/03/2011 03:21:46 AM
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Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks.
25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM
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And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks.
25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM
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Yeah, and im sure WWII, which his son was fighting in, wasn't a distraction at all
25/03/2011 01:09:22 PM
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He still went to work, bucko.
25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM
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Are you seriously that naive?
25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM
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I think you're relying on math way too much to interpret the situation.
25/03/2011 08:48:32 PM
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I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM*
24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM
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Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet.
24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM
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Re: A Dance With Dragons
24/03/2011 02:06:48 PM
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Re: A Dance With Dragons
24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM
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But Sanderson's book was a mess.
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24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM
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Was it really? Which one was this? *NM*
25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM
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ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though.
25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM
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Interesting.
27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM
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I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM*
25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM
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I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books.
25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM
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This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous.
25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM
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I think about half of the responses are just from Malkierknight. *NM*
25/03/2011 05:11:18 PM
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These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another
25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM
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Are you familiar with Minecraft?
25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM
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It always astounds me that the developers at Valve aren't hanging from street lamps outside their HQ
25/03/2011 09:07:56 PM
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Whoops.
26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM
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I'd delete it for you to tidy up, but I think two posts by CNRedDragon is a good thing.
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27/03/2011 07:49:55 AM
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Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you
25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM
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Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you
25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM
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Re: Your math up above
25/03/2011 04:45:23 PM
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Re: Your math up above
26/03/2011 02:43:03 PM
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That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down.
26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM
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Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down.
26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM
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When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry.
26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM
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I see that I need to work on my reputation.
28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM
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Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves.
28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM
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A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch.
26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM
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He hasn't only been working on A Dance With Dreams. So Chill Already! *NM*
27/03/2011 04:26:17 PM
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