wasnt this book supposed to come out years ago? yes, im familiar with the fact that it had to be redone due to structural issues, but since that info came out it seems like almost two years passed. im sorry but thats ridiculous...you are a professional author. theres no way youre pulling 4-6 hour days at a 2k word/day rate and not managing a full book per year, year and a half tops.
Seems to me that while Martin is faithful to his characters and his process, hes not particularly hard working, and thereby not faithful to his fans. theres a difference between being meticulous and being hardworking. i think martin is the former, but definitely not the latter. theres just no excuse. makes me lose interest in the series.
I think people must be in a pretty pathetic place in their lives to get riled up over how long it takes to read about a fictional world. I mean, really. Its not real. Its fake. If thats what upsets someone, they should seek help. Fast. Your life must suck. Chill out, relax, read it when it arrives.
It's not the wait that bothers people. Plenty of people wait much longer for much more desirable things. It's the fact that we've been dicked around for, depending on who you ask, as much as 11 years. Promised the book by the end of the year, only to find out that it's going to be another year after that.
It's disrespectful to fans, who are the basis of an author's livelihood.
All that said, a large number of people will go out and read adwd ANYWAY, bc Martin is just that good of a storyteller(although I'd bet good money that significantly fewer people will buy it in comparison to a few years ago). But that does not change the fact that he is a lazy ass who is treating his fans like crap, which is all this post is about, since a lot of people seem to be sympathetic with martin on account of his organizational problems.
Ok. If the only way he has treated them like crap was promising and being wrong about AFFC, then well damn, way to call a guy a dick about one mistake. Further, after that, he has never made a promise as to when he would finish a book. Probably because he felt like a dick for being wrong. Touche, Martin. Good man for not falling into the same trap. Otherwise, I can think of a way he's treated fans like crap. I don't feel personally offended by anything he's done. I don't believe he's sitting at home, in his office, white beard filled with ginger snap crumbs thinking "Hahaha, those stupid imbeciles. I'll make them wait until they can't wait no more! I shall be the best villain in the universe! Batman won't even be able to stop me". Sorry, but that just ain't whats up.
Contrast Martin with a guy like Sanderson. Granted Sanderson is a younger, hungrier writer looking to establish himself in the ssf world, but he worked his ass off to give both his fans and wot fans a book in one year. He did this partly so his own work wouldnt be forgotten and partly because he's just a decent guy who does his best to give back to the people who essentially write his paycheck.
Sanderson didn't write himself into a corner. He's taking over someone elses work that has an extensive outline and background material. Martin, is making up his outline, background material and stuff. Then he's writing the book. Little different, dontcha think?
Your mom. That's right. The cat is out of the bag. Your mom.
My mind isn't always in the gutter, it just has VIP access
A Dance With Dragons
- 22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM
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See, I disagree.
- 23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM
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Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing
- 23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM
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- 23/03/2011 01:17:57 AM
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Yeah but, come on, 6 years? And 5 years for the book before that? *NM*
- 23/03/2011 05:05:01 AM
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The way I see it ...
- 23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM
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what this guy said. so true. not enough time in the day for all the cool stuff. i can wait 
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- 23/03/2011 04:39:35 AM
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- 23/03/2011 04:39:35 AM
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If people are upset with him, don't buy the book.
- 23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM
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Re: If people are upset with him, don't buy the book.
- 23/03/2011 01:22:09 PM
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Do you guys literally have nothing else to read?
- 24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM
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do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching?
- 24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM
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Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read?
- 24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM
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*complain*
- 23/03/2011 10:19:33 PM
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*sigh*
- 24/03/2011 10:11:29 AM
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Re: *sigh*
- 24/03/2011 01:56:51 PM
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Well
- 24/03/2011 02:44:00 PM
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Re: Well
- 25/03/2011 12:17:08 AM
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apparently you cant read...
- 25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM
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Seriously? You don't know how Jordan's illness manifested itself?
- 25/03/2011 02:19:23 AM
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I'm glad you mentioned LotR
- 25/03/2011 03:21:46 AM
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Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks.
- 25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM
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And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks.
- 25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM
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Yeah, and im sure WWII, which his son was fighting in, wasn't a distraction at all
- 25/03/2011 01:09:22 PM
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He still went to work, bucko.
- 25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM
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Are you seriously that naive?
- 25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM
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I think you're relying on math way too much to interpret the situation.
- 25/03/2011 08:48:32 PM
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I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM*
- 24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM
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Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet.
- 24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM
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Re: A Dance With Dragons
- 24/03/2011 02:06:48 PM
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Re: A Dance With Dragons
- 24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM
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But Sanderson's book was a mess. 
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- 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM
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- 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM
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Was it really? Which one was this? *NM*
- 25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM
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ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though.
- 25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM
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Interesting.
- 27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM
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I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM*
- 25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM
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I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books.
- 25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM
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Re: A Dance With Dragons
- 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM
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This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous.
- 25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM
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I think about half of the responses are just from Malkierknight. *NM*
- 25/03/2011 05:11:18 PM
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These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another
- 25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM
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Are you familiar with Minecraft?
- 25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM
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It always astounds me that the developers at Valve aren't hanging from street lamps outside their HQ
- 25/03/2011 09:07:56 PM
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Whoops.
- 26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM
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I'd delete it for you to tidy up, but I think two posts by CNRedDragon is a good thing. 
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- 27/03/2011 07:49:55 AM
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- 27/03/2011 07:49:55 AM
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Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you
- 25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM
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Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you
- 25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM
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Re: Your math up above
- 25/03/2011 04:45:23 PM
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Re: Your math up above
- 26/03/2011 02:43:03 PM
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That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down.
- 26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM
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Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down.
- 26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM
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When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry.
- 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM
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- 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM
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I see that I need to work on my reputation.
- 28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM
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Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves.
- 28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM
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A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch.
- 26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM
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He hasn't only been working on A Dance With Dreams. So Chill Already! *NM*
- 27/03/2011 04:26:17 PM
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