Bantam's editors have been working on the book over the past few years as GRRM has completed chapters. Some of the changes that have resulted in the delays that people are whinging about were instigated by the editors, not by GRRM, such as the movement of some chapters and characters into Book 6 and the rewriting of some material to make it stronger.
So Bantam have been kept informed and been involved in the writing process from the start, and whilst I'm sure they'd prefer the book to come out tomorrow they're willing to wait, because they see ASoIaF as a prestige project that will sell millions of books (publishers are usually happy if a single book sells more than ten thousand), and they're willing to put the legwork in that is required to do that.
Indeed. Because WHEEL OF TIME's sales are waaaay down because it's been drawn out for so long and the last few books didn't hit the bestseller list and, erm, oh yeah...
Looking at the sales of the book growing and what the TV series will do for the books (300% sales increase for the TRUE BLOOD books after the series came out), I don't see this happening either, not this side of about 2020 anyway.
Well, your whole post was about how ADWD was going to be pointless, and nothing in it of any importance was going to happen because those events have been pushed back to a later book. So yes, it does matter what they were going to be called.
Excellent technique, by the way. Base post around point which turns out to be fictitious. This gets pointed out. Claim that point was unimportant. Are you a politician, by any chance?
So Bantam have been kept informed and been involved in the writing process from the start, and whilst I'm sure they'd prefer the book to come out tomorrow they're willing to wait, because they see ASoIaF as a prestige project that will sell millions of books (publishers are usually happy if a single book sells more than ten thousand), and they're willing to put the legwork in that is required to do that.
The simple fact is that I'm just not all that interested in the Martin series after A Feast for Crows and the extraordinarily long lag between books, which for a series is not good.
Indeed. Because WHEEL OF TIME's sales are waaaay down because it's been drawn out for so long and the last few books didn't hit the bestseller list and, erm, oh yeah...
Martin doesn't have an obligation to get the books out, but as he drags this out the readers have less interest in buying them. Sales for games and related merchandise will drop as well.
Looking at the sales of the book growing and what the TV series will do for the books (300% sales increase for the TRUE BLOOD books after the series came out), I don't see this happening either, not this side of about 2020 anyway.
Of course, he might get the next book out before Brandon Sanderson finishes the Jordan series and it might be great. Right about now, though, there are a lot of disillusioned fans losing interest. It doesn't matter what the books were "technically" always going to be called.
Well, your whole post was about how ADWD was going to be pointless, and nothing in it of any importance was going to happen because those events have been pushed back to a later book. So yes, it does matter what they were going to be called.
Excellent technique, by the way. Base post around point which turns out to be fictitious. This gets pointed out. Claim that point was unimportant. Are you a politician, by any chance?
Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons....
18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM
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It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two.
18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM
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Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM*
18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM
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Titles
18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM
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Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam"
18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM
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Nope, still doesn't work.
18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
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I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else
18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM
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Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM*
18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM
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I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks
18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM
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Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM
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In your opinion, of course. *NM*
20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM
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Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions.
20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM
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I see the reason in that.
20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM
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I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already
20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM
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I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off.
18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM
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Sometimes ...
18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM
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Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder.
18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM
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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety.
18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM
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Was this well out of line, by any chance?
18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM
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damn you are rude *NM*
18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM
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Gosh. This is pretty tiring.
18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM
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So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly?
19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM
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Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM
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No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults.
20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM
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Oh please. Grow some thicker skin.
20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM
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You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been.
20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM
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"It" would have been. "It" was.
20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM*
19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM
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I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM*
19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM
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Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM*
19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM
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That's the most valid point of the argument.
18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM
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Agreed.
19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM
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Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'.
19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM
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But a promise was never made.
19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM
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I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM
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Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin
19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM
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This is where the great divide comes into play
19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
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I think he should take a page out of RJ's book
19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM
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Exceptions prove the rule...
19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM
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