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You're new here, aren't you? Legolas Send a noteboard - 19/02/2011 04:50:50 PM

Hi, sorry if this is slightly OT, but I have some questions about the level of French you need to read Madame Bovary in the original.

I can tell because you're worried about introducing something that may be OT.

Hi and welcome, we're always glad to have new people here! I'm Paul, one of the three admins of this board (the others are Jacob and Rebekah). But what with many of the regulars being personal friends (online or offline) with each other and with the admins and webmaster, we tend to be fairly relaxed. And we certainly don't mind posts going off topic - in fact, one of the main reasons why we use this message board layout unlike so many other forums, is precisely to make it easy for people to carry on multiple parallel discussions within the same thread, be they on- or off-topic.

So, in short, not to worry.

I only have a basic "school" level of French, but am planning to undertake some self-study to improve my level - not just to read Madame Bovary, but to read more French literature in general, as well as get more out of trips to France. From reading this discussion I can see that Madame Bovary is one of the more difficult French novels to read, so I was just wondering how long you've been reading French literature - especially as you were able to pick up such nuances of tone as you describe above? What were some of the other books you've read in French? If you could recommend any novels that are an easier read (though still interesting and challenging), that would be more suitable for me to build up some French reading skills with, I would be really grateful.

I'm sure Tom will reply to this himself as well, but the author coming to mind, I think for many people here, when you ask for quality novels in easy French, is Albert Camus. L'Etranger is an easy but interesting read, albeit rather depressing.

You could also try to read Guy de Maupassant, not because he's particularly easy, he's not, but because much of his work consists of short stories. A number of stories of a few dozen pages each are just as good practice as one novel, but they have the advantage of being less daunting.

And I don't know if you much like crime/detective books, but if so, authors like Leroux (famous mostly for his Phantom of the Opera, but he wrote detectives too) and Leblanc might be doable. I'm currently reading a book by the latter, should have a review up soon.

It's heartening to see that there are others who aim to read as much European literature in the original as possible - it makes it seem like not such an impossible dream for me! I have intermediate(ish) Italian (though I can only read Italian literature very slowly and with lots of recourse to the dictionary), basic French, German and Portuguese, and with that background I imagine Spanish wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I've never touched Russian - would love to one day. I find it pretty easy to pick up the rudiments of a language, but much more difficult to put in the sustained effort necessary to get to the level of reading literary works. But even if it takes me the rest of my life to get there (I work full time in a non-literary field so the time I have to devote to it is limited), I think it will be worth it.

Yeah, with Tom it's not just European literature he reads in the original.

He can be a bit intimidating to the rest of us in his language knowledge.

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/Discussion: Madame Bovary Tom - 20/01/2011 06:22:50 PM 8877 Views

Re: /Review: Madame Bovary Camilla - 20/01/2011 07:20:36 PM 2258 Views

Emma didn't try to transcend her world. She tried to escape it. And she failed. Miserably. Tom - 21/01/2011 06:25:36 AM 1694 Views

I agree with much of what you say. Legolas - 20/01/2011 07:57:57 PM 2564 Views

I'm glad to hear that the read wasn't easy for you, either. Tom - 21/01/2011 06:30:00 AM 1682 Views

Yeah, I think it's safe to say some of those words would give even native speakers pause. Legolas - 21/01/2011 06:37:02 PM 2271 Views

I'm certain it was intentional. Tom - 21/01/2011 07:21:45 PM 1650 Views

I want to read two more "serious" works before skipping over to Druon. Tom - 22/01/2011 06:03:09 PM 2035 Views

Ambitious.

Legolas - 22/01/2011 06:26:59 PM 1857 Views

Re: Ambitious.

Camilla - 25/01/2011 06:20:12 PM 2728 Views

I don't think I've even heard of Benjamin. Legolas - 25/01/2011 09:41:55 PM 1633 Views

Walter Benjamin Camilla - 25/01/2011 10:00:13 PM 2753 Views

I think he was the youngest son of Jacob. *NM* Tom - 26/01/2011 05:16:26 AM 874 Views

I'm halfway through the second part now Larry - 20/01/2011 11:58:01 PM 1875 Views

I'm interested to see what you think when you finish. Tom - 21/01/2011 06:31:58 AM 1658 Views

I hope to be done with it this evening Larry - 22/01/2011 05:09:23 PM 2115 Views

My thoughts Larry - 24/01/2011 06:48:13 AM 2455 Views

Never beats the reader across the head, eh?

So what do you make of the ending? Legolas - 24/01/2011 10:39:06 PM 2264 Views

The ending fits with the rest of the book, I believe Larry - 24/01/2011 11:04:02 PM 2342 Views

Hm. I think maybe it's because you've read the book before, as Tom admitted. Legolas - 25/01/2011 09:40:36 PM 2190 Views

Your comments are one of the reasons I've sworn off translations. Tom - 25/01/2011 05:50:33 PM 1649 Views

?OT: reading French literature Sinead - 19/02/2011 04:09:36 PM 1670 Views

You're new here, aren't you? Legolas - 19/02/2011 04:50:50 PM 2243 Views

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<quote id="192051">Hi, sorry if this is slightly OT, but I have some questions about the level of French you need to read Madame Bovary in the original.</quote>
I can tell because you're worried about introducing something that may be OT. ;)

So, in short, not to worry. :)
<quote id="192051">I only have a basic "school" level of French, but am planning to undertake some self-study to improve my level - not just to read Madame Bovary, but to read more French literature in general, as well as get more out of trips to France. From reading this discussion I can see that Madame Bovary is one of the more difficult French novels to read, so I was just wondering how long you've been reading French literature - especially as you were able to pick up such nuances of tone as you describe above? What were some of the other books you've read in French? If you could recommend any novels that are an easier read (though still interesting and challenging), that would be more suitable for me to build up some French reading skills with, I would be really grateful.</quote>
I'm sure Tom will reply to this himself as well, but the author coming to mind, I think for many people here, when you ask for quality novels in easy French, is Albert Camus. L'Etranger is an easy but interesting read, albeit rather depressing.

You could also try to read Guy de Maupassant, not because he's particularly easy, he's not, but because much of his work consists of short stories. A number of stories of a few dozen pages each are just as good practice as one novel, but they have the advantage of being less daunting.

And I don't know if you much like crime/detective books, but if so, authors like Leroux (famous mostly for his Phantom of the Opera, but he wrote detectives too) and Leblanc might be doable. I'm currently reading a book by the latter, should have a review up soon. 
<quote id="192051">It's heartening to see that there are others who aim to read as much European literature in the original as possible - it makes it seem like not such an impossible dream for me! I have intermediate(ish) Italian (though I can only read Italian literature very slowly and with lots of recourse to the dictionary), basic French, German and Portuguese, and with that background I imagine Spanish wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I've never touched Russian - would love to one day. I find it pretty easy to pick up the rudiments of a language, but much more difficult to put in the sustained effort necessary to get to the level of reading literary works. But even if it takes me the rest of my life to get there (I work full time in a non-literary field so the time I have to devote to it is limited), I think it will be worth it.</quote>
Yeah, with Tom it's not just European literature he reads in the original. ;) He can be a bit intimidating to the rest of us in his language knowledge. 
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