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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. StormCrow Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 03:04:11 PM
Snape: Is there a remnant of semi-sadistic attitude to Harry in making him get the sword by diving into a frozen lake? I can imagine him smiling at the thought, in a "oh, my, god save me from Gryffindors and their heroics" kind of way. Not in an evil way. More in an "I'll be damned if I make this too easy" way. Perhaps not. More likely, I suppose, it is in order to make it make sense to Harry, as it does.

I like this moment for Snape. While he is never visible, it appeals to me. We get to see it again in his memories, I think?


We do find out that this was him in the pensieve memories he leaves for Harry. His memory was primarily around conjuring his patronus, IIRC. I love that it's him and love that he does it unseen. His revelations chapter at the end is the best in the series for me. It uncovers all sorts of things he's gone through, thanklessly, to help everyone.

Ron: Is saving Harry his first real act of bravery? I mean, he has followed Harry into scary places before, but this seems like the first time he has done something brave impulsively and by himself. Or is there something I have forgotten?


This goes a long way to redeeming him as a character and fixing his relationship with Harry / Hermoine. He's finally done something, on his own, not just as a bi-product of following Harry around. I never really understood that about his character. We talked earlier about the Harry / Hermoine combo and how effective they are as a pair. This finally gives Ron something to stand on as his own, as a contributing member of the trio, as does destroying the horcrux. Seems kind of like a turning point for him because he starts coming up with things throughout the rest of the book, i.e. planning for Gringots, the basalisk fangs, etc.

Hermione: I really liked her reaction to the reappearance of Ron. The whole scene is well played. Both the anger and the sarcasm at his hardships.


This was a fantastic way for her to react. Love that she makes him earn his way back in, despite that he's already done something more impactful and brave than he has for the entire beginning of the series.

I cannot quite blame him for turning them in. He is desperate and has no way of coping with it.

Luna: Her hearbreakingness continues with the painting on the ceiling.


Can definitely understand Xeno giving them up. They promised him his daughter back afterall and she's all he has left. The painting was very touching. Luna is awesome.

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Oh yes. - 26/11/2010 08:46:23 PM 1733 Views
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The Portkeys make a certain amount of sense, actually. - 06/12/2010 08:56:24 PM 2058 Views
Good point! - 06/12/2010 09:59:11 PM 1731 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* - 26/11/2010 07:30:49 PM 877 Views
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I wondered that same thing. *NM* - 02/12/2010 05:09:49 AM 890 Views
I might have my timeline mixed up - 04/12/2010 04:12:50 PM 1733 Views
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:47:11 PM 1611 Views
Re: I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right. - 07/12/2010 08:55:54 PM 1658 Views
True, but still. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:02:00 PM 852 Views
Lights! Camera! Action! - 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM 1710 Views
Hallows and Fidelius Charm. - 06/12/2010 10:03:33 PM 1844 Views
That could be it... or some snake senses, vibrations and all? - 07/12/2010 10:03:16 PM 1652 Views
But wait! There's more! - 06/12/2010 10:00:34 PM 1670 Views
As nutty as squirrel poo. - 06/12/2010 10:04:11 PM 1359 Views
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Oh, hadn't realized that yet either... nice one. *NM* - 07/12/2010 08:54:18 PM 884 Views
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lovegood ... and not many more. *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:49:28 PM 932 Views
Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM 1837 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 03:04:11 PM 1879 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM 1736 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 09/12/2010 11:48:08 PM 1949 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 08:44:01 PM 1788 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:00:44 PM 1719 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:16:48 PM 1699 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM 1719 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM 1660 Views
Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore. - 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM 1689 Views
What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet? - 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM 1744 Views
Very, very true. *NM* - 09/12/2010 11:54:06 PM 858 Views
Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 08/12/2010 08:50:53 PM 1821 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 12:04:37 AM 1719 Views
Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last. - 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM 1703 Views
I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM 1675 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 09/12/2010 11:49:38 PM 1663 Views
Re: I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up". - 10/12/2010 04:18:25 AM 1853 Views
up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes! - 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM 1414 Views
It is, but the general idea was clear. *NM* - 10/12/2010 08:45:55 PM 847 Views
They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM 1608 Views
Re: They're not so annoying yet, now. - 09/12/2010 11:52:02 PM 1809 Views
Anything else you'd like to say? *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:51:31 PM 860 Views
Chapters 22-24: The Deathly Hallows, Malfoy Manor, The Wandmaker. - 10/12/2010 09:11:32 PM 1610 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM 907 Views
Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore - 10/12/2010 11:23:09 PM 1918 Views
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On a side note about wands - 14/12/2010 06:05:13 PM 1772 Views
Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too. - 14/12/2010 08:59:26 PM 1792 Views
Harry: - 19/12/2010 11:14:51 PM 1655 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 09:42:31 AM 1714 Views
Re: Harry: - 20/12/2010 12:54:14 PM 1764 Views
Other comments or discoveries? *NM* - 10/12/2010 09:14:38 PM 870 Views
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Plot, action, etc. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM 855 Views
red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM 1571 Views
The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:13:50 PM 1807 Views
Re: The Gringotts book one reference fits into the pattern. - 14/12/2010 10:27:35 PM 1843 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 03:37:36 PM 2019 Views
Re: red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle. - 20/12/2010 07:37:07 PM 1755 Views
Other things. *NM* - 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM 768 Views
Film stuff - 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM 1665 Views
Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM 1651 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM 1665 Views
Are we talking about film or book here? - 20/12/2010 12:58:46 AM 1569 Views
Both, ideally. - 20/12/2010 09:43:06 AM 1600 Views
Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated. - 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM 1670 Views
I had not made the goblin/Jews connection *NM* - 22/12/2010 09:31:59 AM 875 Views
Seconded. - 26/12/2010 08:29:44 PM 1779 Views
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Characters *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM 830 Views
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Various characters. - 20/12/2010 01:10:42 AM 1710 Views
I think Percy's coming to his senses makes sense enough... - 26/12/2010 08:47:10 PM 2025 Views
Re: Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins - 20/12/2010 05:16:13 PM 1783 Views
I seem to recall Dumbledore making a comment... - 26/12/2010 08:34:03 PM 1885 Views
Yes - 26/12/2010 09:18:56 PM 1695 Views
Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM 852 Views
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good - 20/12/2010 11:06:01 PM 1919 Views
Other things. *NM* - 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM 873 Views
Filch and a password. - 16/12/2010 11:51:24 PM 1713 Views
Re: Filch and a password. - 20/12/2010 05:41:02 PM 1678 Views
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Characters: far too many to mention. - 19/12/2010 07:58:41 PM 1609 Views
Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM 1948 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 07:02:05 PM 1799 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 20/12/2010 11:24:46 PM 1719 Views
Re: Too many to mention, indeed. - 26/12/2010 09:46:25 PM 2098 Views
The action, and plot advancement and completion. - 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM 1752 Views
memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM 1505 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 07:17:18 PM 1826 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 20/12/2010 11:17:57 PM 1705 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 01/01/2011 10:39:27 PM 1696 Views
Re: memories, cinematic moments and parallels. - 02/01/2011 10:29:38 AM 1838 Views
Other matters. *NM* - 19/12/2010 08:00:39 PM 780 Views
More film stuff. - 20/12/2010 09:33:23 AM 1610 Views
Chapters 34-36: The Forest Again, King's Cross, The Flaw in the Plan - 20/12/2010 07:31:27 PM 1608 Views
Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al. - 20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM 1638 Views
Harry, Dumbledore, Neville, the Malfoys, Molly and Voldemort - 20/12/2010 11:28:19 PM 1763 Views
The Malfoys and Molly - 01/01/2011 10:55:28 PM 1852 Views
Re: The Malfoys and Molly - 02/01/2011 10:35:47 AM 1854 Views
Tying up the plot. - 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM 1618 Views
Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls - 20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM 1757 Views
Anything else? - 20/12/2010 07:33:53 PM 1674 Views
Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM 1748 Views
Re: Epilogue: the future. - 20/12/2010 11:31:28 PM 2020 Views
I'm the other way around - I mind it less this time. - 26/12/2010 09:52:21 PM 1767 Views

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