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Re: Thereby... Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM

You know, I never noticed that in Leroux? Possibly because I found him otherwise rather good.


...completely disproving your earlier italics argument. Ah Camilla, you make it too easy.


Pfff. What this argument shows it that you can get away with crappy tools if your writing/story/characters is/are otherwise up to scratch. Which they are not in the case of Brown.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2307 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1162 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1034 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1187 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1107 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1127 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1039 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1068 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1070 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1087 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1154 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1155 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 511 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1223 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1043 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1074 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1053 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1081 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 614 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1067 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 496 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 588 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1044 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1123 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1088 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1053 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1061 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1160 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1054 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1340 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1092 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1146 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1046 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 994 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1053 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 493 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1001 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1050 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1018 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1034 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1055 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1077 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 536 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1084 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1029 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1027 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1000 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1161 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1241 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1087 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1293 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1069 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1045 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 996 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 986 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1082 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1155 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 520 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 531 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 543 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 558 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 998 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1061 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1020 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1026 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1039 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 950 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1143 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1048 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1110 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1116 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1158 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1013 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1085 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 420 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1036 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1005 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 548 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 560 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1035 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 922 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1014 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1005 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1076 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 523 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1009 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1094 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1080 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1070 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1021 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 540 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 987 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1134 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1020 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 898 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1237 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1004 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1021 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 520 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1109 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 954 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1054 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1148 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 509 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 962 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1213 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1076 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1064 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1123 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1002 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1014 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1056 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1169 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1146 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1012 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1109 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1076 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1042 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1118 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 520 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1054 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 982 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1134 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1000 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1146 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1262 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 927 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 678 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 539 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 988 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1185 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1020 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1021 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1068 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 549 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 499 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 680 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 545 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1305 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1135 Views
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