I think there's something like 70 phonemes that utilize 26 letters in English, so yeah, the Latin alphabet is poorly adapted for that, especially after the Great Vowel Shift of the 15th century. I just bemoan the fact that most English dialects do not have a proper second person plural form (y'all needs to be mandatory ).
And instead of making new letters to encompass all these sounds like a sensible language you just stick to basic Latin alphabet. And then you go and take a sensible letter like c and use it for sounds that already have letters for them, so you have one less.
I've always had this feeling that English (and French) squandered the great invention of alphabet. In Polish when you read a word you've never seen written before all it takes to say it properly is to say all the letters. All you need to know is alphabet. There is of course the matter of those double letters for phonemes that sometimes makes writing tricky. That's why sometimes someone asks how something is written but you don't say the whole word because it's obvious - just which one of those you use. This is why the movies about spelling bee contest sound really stupid after translation. In English you still need to memorize the whole words you could as well use ideograms - they take less space .
But German as a model? -ig, -ch is pronounced so many different ways!
I had an impression those differences are the differences between different dialects of German. I sometimes only get
Maybe not, but it is a dull translation, lacking much of the energy and humor I've found in the Spanish translation. If it's noticeable between translations, imagine how it'd be compared to the original.
This is always the problem with translation. There was a great debate about the translation in Poland. Whether it should stay as close as possible to original or whether the deviations are allowed to better translate the feeling of original. I feel the second one are usually more successful. For example the Polish translation of Shrek was very successful and won awards because it often didn't translate the jokes directly but used the local references (the guy who did it is now hired for all the animated blockbusters because he knows how to make it funny for Poles).
One of Poland's best translators said that a translator has to be proficient in the language s/he translates from but must be a master of the language s/he translates to. This is probably why the best ones are poets and writers themselves.
I live 35 miles away from a major city. My local library does have Quo Vadis, but not his other work. It'd make more sense for me to buy a used copy from Amazon or ABEbooks. Not too bad, only $15 for the 1890 Jeremiah Curtin translation. He's the guy who translated the edition of Quo Vadis I read and enjoyed immensely, so I'll probably go for that one next week.
I live now in a small town in US but luckily it is one built around big University so the library even has some books in Polish
Evolution, just like gravity, works even if you don't believe in it.
Stupidity doesn't hurt but it kills.
Stupidity doesn't hurt but it kills.
Andrzej Sapkowski, Times of Disdain/Tiempo del odio
27/11/2010 03:24:22 AM
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Bizarre that you would go to a Spanish translation (A translation note)
27/11/2010 04:05:28 PM
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Not really, when that's the only complete translation available in a language I read
27/11/2010 06:54:18 PM
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It's an interesting discussion about that title... "disdain" is indeed somewhat weak.
27/11/2010 06:35:14 PM
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When I have time later tonight, I'll translate the relevant passage near the end of the book
27/11/2010 06:57:23 PM
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Re: Andrzej Sapkowski, Times of Disdain/Tiempo del odio
27/11/2010 09:37:07 PM
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The main reason why I lean toward "hatred" is later on
27/11/2010 09:43:43 PM
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Yeah, there may be a slight difference between Czech and English meaning of the word
28/11/2010 10:49:23 AM
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Now for that passage near the end of the book I said I'd post
28/11/2010 02:35:38 AM
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Hm. I'd actually say it makes me more inclined to think "contempt" is right after all.
28/11/2010 10:50:09 AM
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I didn't quote what happened immediately afterward, as that is a major spoiler
28/11/2010 07:16:39 PM
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28/11/2010 11:03:18 AM
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29/11/2010 01:12:58 AM
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I find it funny that all the discussion in the thread is about the best translation of the title.
28/11/2010 10:17:44 PM
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Time of Contempt is closest to original meaning
28/11/2010 11:42:56 PM
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Perhaps, but there's been a weakening of "contempt" in English over the past few generations
28/11/2010 11:55:16 PM
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Re: Perhaps, but there's been a weakening of "contempt" in English over the past few generations
29/11/2010 12:47:12 AM
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You made me want to go and reread this again
29/11/2010 12:07:46 AM
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I'm in the midst of re-reading The Tower of the Swallow
29/11/2010 12:32:23 AM
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29/11/2010 01:05:30 AM
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29/11/2010 05:02:48 AM
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29/11/2010 04:39:02 PM
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Still, seeing as many as six consonants together can be intimidating for some of us
29/11/2010 11:37:22 PM
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Re: Still, seeing as many as six consonants together can be intimidating for some of us
30/11/2010 02:27:03 AM
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I refuse to give the Germans credit when it comes to language and grammar issues!
30/11/2010 03:04:30 AM
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I don't see why; except maybe page long nouns
30/11/2010 04:22:37 PM
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I dunno, some people dig saying "Machtübernahme" and "Größerdeutschland"
30/11/2010 05:53:43 PM
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